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          OF PUBLIC SAFETY TO ORDER. AND ALTHOUGH WE DON'T HAVE TO OFFICIALLY EXCUSE PEOPLE ON OUR ELECTED BOARD MEMBER. MR. FINN SENDS HIS REGRETS. HE WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY. SO THE 
          [1. Medical Priority and Wellness Response (MPWR) 6-Month Update]
FIRST ITEM UP FOR BUSINESS IS AN UPDATE FROM OUR MEDICAL ON OUR MEDICAL PRIORITY AND WELLNESS WORK, FROM OUR FIRE CHIEF. THIS AFTERNOON. THIS IS A MIDPOINT UPDATE ON OUR MEDICAL PRIORITY AND WELLNESS RESPONSE TEAM. JUST A BRIEF REMINDER, THIS IS NOT THE HOT TEAM THAT IS STILL OPERATING FULL FORCE DAILY OUT IN THE STREETS. THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL PREVENTATIVE TYPE PROGRAM THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN EXPLORING. AND THIS FALLS UNDER THE THE TERM COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION, MUCH LIKE OUR FIRE PREVENTION DIVISION DOES WITH SMOKE ALARMS AND EDUCATION. ON THE FIRE SIDE, THIS IS A VERY SIMILAR TYPE PROGRAM ON THE MEDICAL SIDE, WHICH COMPRISES ABOUT 64% OF OUR RESPONSES. WE ENTERED THIS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH CALDWELL HEALTH. WE HAVE THEM HERE TODAY, AND WE'RE EXCITED TO SHARE WITH YOU JUST A FEW OUTCOMES THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF THIS PROGRAM OPERATING. SO OUR EMS CAPTAIN, CAPTAIN HUTTER, IS GOING TO BRIEFLY WALK US THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. MATT. HE'S TALLER THAN ME. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. HEY. GOOD AFTERNOON. IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE SIX MONTHS AGO, WE WERE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS. WE WERE GETTING READY TO BUY CHRISTMAS PRESENTS AND AND DO ALL THAT, SO I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE HERE ALREADY. BUT YES, THE MEDICAL PRIORITY AND WELLNESS RESPONSE, BETTER KNOWN AS OUR EMPOWER TEAM. SOMETIMES IT'S EASIER TO SAY MEDICAL OUTREACH. BUT HOWEVER YOU LOOK AT IT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IS, IS GIVE SOME MEDICAL OUTREACH TO OUR CITIZENS. AND SIX MONTHS AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THERE WERE 17,000 MEDICAL ALARMS IN THE CITY OF GRAND RAPIDS BACK IN 2024, WHICH IS UP FROM 5000 BACK IN 1990. AND WE REALIZED THAT ABOUT 14% OF THOSE INCIDENTS WERE HAVING A REPEAT 911 CALLER THAT SAID 32 OF THEM OF THOSE THOSE EXCUSE ME, THOSE PATIENTS, IF YOU WILL, THEY HAD TEN PLUS INCIDENTS PER YEAR. SO AS CHIEF SAID, SO, SO CORRECTLY, THIS IS A PREVENTATIVE PROGRAM. WE'VE BEEN PREVENTING FIRES FOR MANY DECADES NOW. NOW IT'S TIME TO START PREVENTING SOME OF THE MEDICALS THAT WE'VE BEEN RUNNING ON. THAT SAID, WE'VE HAD SOME PRETTY GOOD MOMENTUM IN THAT FIRST YEAR. WE'VE HAD 30 TOTAL REFERRALS. 27 OF THEM CAME FROM OUR FIRE COMPANIES. SO THE ENGINE IN THE TRUCK COMPANIES AND MANY OF THOSE REFERRALS WERE PROACTIVE FROM THE CAPTAINS IN THE LIEUTENANTS ON THOSE. AND SO THEY WEREN'T NECESSARILY JUST REPEAT CALLERS. SOME WERE, BUT SOME WERE MORE PROACTIVE. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH THOSE PEOPLE AS WELL. WE'VE HAD A FEW THERE'S CALLED WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE CHEETO LIST. 
          NOT BE CONFUSED WITH THE THING THAT YOU EAT OUT OF THAT BAG, THAT PROCESSED FOOD, BUT IT'S CALLED THE CHEETO LIST COREWELL HEALTH EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT OVER USE LIST, AND WE ARE WORKING TO BUILD OUR REFERRAL PATHWAY THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING. AND THEY, THE ER ALSO HAS COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKERS AS WELL. MY ASSOCIATE HERE, WILLIAM. HE'S A COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKER WITH COREWELL HEALTH. AND SO IT TURNS OUT SOMETHING THAT WAS NEW TO ME IS THERE'S, THERE'S A COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKERS ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND THEY KIND OF WORK BEHIND THE SCENES GETTING RESOURCES FOR PEOPLE. AND SO THAT'S BEEN KIND OF FUN TO LEARN AND WORK WITH THEM. AND SO MOVING ON, WE'VE HAD 175 CLIENT INTERACTIONS. THAT MEANS OF THOSE 30 REFERRALS, WE'VE BEEN SEEING OUR CLIENTS MANY, MANY TIMES, SOME MORE THAN OTHERS BECAUSE THEY DO REQUIRE SPECIALIZED ATTENTION. BUT IN THAT IN THAT TIME, WE'VE MADE 76 RESOURCE CONNECTIONS WITH DIFFERENT RESOURCES THAT ARE OUT THERE, DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT ARE ABLE TO HELP THE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND WE'VE ALSO WORKED WITH SOME CASE MANAGERS AS WELL. JUST A COUPLE OF WINS THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS. NOW UP ON LEONARD STREET NORTHWEST, WE'VE REDUCED CALLS FROM ABOUT FIVE PER MONTH TO TWO ZERO WOULD BE BEST, BUT SOMETIMES WE CAN ONLY MAKE IT TO THE POINT WHERE WE'VE REDUCED THOSE CALLS, AND THAT'S STILL A WIN. THAT'S STILL KEEPING OUR FIRE ENGINES AND FIRE TRUCKS IN SERVICE LONGER AND ABLE TO BE ABLE TO HELP THE PEOPLE IN DIRE NEED AND HAVE THEM AVAILABLE. SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT. OVER ON SINCLAIR, WE HAD 50% REDUCTION IN ALARMS THERE JUST BY SIMPLY DOING WEEKLY CHECKS AND MEDICATION EDUCATION AND TRYING TO HELP THEM NAVIGATE THE SYSTEM. AND OVER ON JEANNETTE, SOMEBODY WHO WOULD CALL US BECAUSE IN MANY RESPECTS OF LONELINESS, INSTEAD OF CALLING 911, THEY CALLED THE 
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EMPOWER TEAM DIRECT, AND WE WERE ABLE TO DIVERT SOME CALLS DOWN ONE ONE CALLS DOING THAT. 
          SO PRETTY EXCITING STUFF SO FAR. A GROWING SUPPORT OF GROWING CIRCLE OF SUPPORT. EXCUSE ME. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE'VE WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS. THE, THE COOL THING IS WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO IN PERSON, ACTUALLY GET INTO OUR CAR AND DRIVE TO MANY OF THESE DIFFERENT RESOURCES THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, MAKE FACE TO FACE, REALLY FACE TO FACE RELATIONSHIPS AND ACTUALLY TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT WE ARE AND WHO WE SERVE. AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THERE'S JUST A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, MANY OF THEM I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD OF OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS. AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT OUR PEOPLE WITH, WITH THESE RESOURCES. SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HELP SECURE SOME HOUSING FOR A CLIENT THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH, WITH OUR HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM AND A LOT OF STUFF THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO. WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH HOME REPAIR SERVICES OF KENT COUNTY. THEY'RE OVER THERE JUST NORTH OF HALL STREET ON DIVISION. AND ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS IS THEY'RE STILL BUILDING IT, BUT THEY'RE WORKING ON A WORKING KITCHEN WITH SOMEBODY THAT HAS NOT HAD ONE SINCE APRIL OF LAST YEAR. AND SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO STAY HEALTHY WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A KITCHEN. SO THAT'S BEEN A BIG WIN FOR US. THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT SMOKING CESSATION SENSATION. HOW ABOUT CESSATION SMOKING CESSATION AND SOME WE'VE BEEN ACTUALLY ABLE TO HELP PLACE SOMEBODY IN LONG TERM SUBSTANCE ABUSE REDUCING CALLS AT THAT LOCATION AS WELL. SO WITH THAT ONGOING WEEKLY WELLNESS CHECKS ACROSS THE GROWING CASELOAD, WE'RE STILL GETTING SOME MORE REFERRALS. AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. AND BASICALLY, IN A NUTSHELL, THE PROGRAM, WE'RE STARTING TO SHOW THAT IT IS WORKING AND THIS IS A GOOD THING. SO AGAIN, WE WANT TO EXPAND OUR REFERRAL PIPELINE. NOW THAT WE HAVE A SOLID FOUNDATION, 90% OF OUR REFERRALS HAVE COME FROM THE FIRE COMPANIES. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING TO OPEN UP THAT PIPELINE AND MAKE THAT HAPPEN FOR MORE PEOPLE. IT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DATA COME THROUGH, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO TRY TO LOOK AT OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR IS TRY TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'VE NOT IF, BUT HOW WE HAVE DIVERTED SOME OF THOSE CONTRACT CONTACT METRICS. SO HOW MANY OF THOSE 911 ALARMS HAVE WE REDUCED? WHICH WOULD BE A GOOD THING. AND THAT'S REALLY, I BELIEVE ALL I. OH, THERE'S ONE MORE. EXCUSE ME. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO WHAT WILL MAKE A CASE FOR RENEWAL IN THE FUTURE? IN THE FUTURE WE ARE LOOKING FOR A DOCUMENTED DROP IN REPEAT 911 USE AMONG OUR HIGHEST NEED RESIDENTS. BUT A CAVEAT TO THAT, AS I SAID EARLIER, IS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STILL HELPING OUT THE FIRE COMPANIES ON SCENE THERE. IF THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THE TIME TO GIVE US REFERRALS AND BE PROACTIVE, THEN I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THAT FOR THOSE GUYS AS WELL. AND AS OUR CASELOAD GROWS, WE'LL HOPEFULLY GROW OUR MANAGEMENT CAPACITY AND PUT NEW TEAMS ON THE ROAD AND JUST KIND OF GO FROM THERE. AND SO JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE ASK AWAY HERE TO HELP. THANKS. SO I LOVE YOUR ANALOGY TO, YOU KNOW, PREVENTING FIRES. IT SOUNDS IT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. AND THANKS, CHIEF, FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS AND FOR PUTTING THIS IN PLACE. I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUICK QUESTION. I'M JUST WONDERING, SO I DIDN'T SEE MEL AS PART OF THE PARTNER GROUPS. AND I COULD IMAGINE THAT BOTH OF THOSE WOULD BE PLACES WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE IT MIGHT BE PRODUCTIVE TO BUILD A RELATIONSHIP. BUT THE OTHER IS IT'S GREAT THAT CARDWELL IS ENGAGED, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TRINITY IN TOWN. WE'VE ALSO GOT CHERRY HEALTH, WHICH DEALS WITH A LOT OF THIS POPULATION. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE STARTED TALKING WITH THOSE HEALTH ENTITIES, BUT I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF OBVIOUS, BUT I JUST THOUGHT I'D ASK THE QUESTION. YES. SHORT ANSWER. YES. WE WENT TO A CHERRY HEALTH. THEY KIND OF HAD A FAIR AND WE WENT AND INTRODUCED OURSELVES THERE AS WELL. AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING MORE CLOSELY WITH CATHERINE'S HEALTH RATHER THAN MEL TROTTER'S. BUT THEY ARE IN THE MEL TROTTER, RIGHT. THEY'RE EMBEDDED. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. BUT THEN I GUESS THE CHERRY HEALTH CONNECTION, I MEAN, CHERRY HEALTH REALLY SERVES A LOT OF I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE BEEN REALLY BEEN WORKING ON THEIR SUPER USER POPULATION AND TRYING TO WRAP THEIR ARMS AROUND, BUT LIKE COORDINATION THERE SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE PRODUCTIVE, BUT ALSO, YEAH. OKAY. THANKS. MAYOR. YEAH. JUST REAL QUICK, THANK YOU FOR THE WORK AND GOING THE EXTRA STEP. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER INNOVATIVE PROGRAM. OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO EXPERIMENT THAT WITH HOT AND NOW WITH EMPOWERED. MY QUESTION ON THE, YOU KNOW, WANT TO TRY TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TIMES WE HAVE TO SEND A BIG RED TRUCK OUT. AND WHEN WE GET THE REFERRALS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, ARE THOSE REFERRALS SOMETIMES ON SITE AND THEN THEY COME AND THEN POWER COMES AND IS THE BIG RED TRUCK THEN RELEASED AS SOON AS THEY GET ON SITE? NO, IT'S THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO. BUT WHAT THEY DO IS WHEN THEY GO BACK IN AND DO 
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THEIR MEDICAL REPORTS, THERE'S A BUTTON THAT THEY CAN CLICK, AND IT BASICALLY JUST HAS THEM FILL OUT A BRIEF FORM OF INFORMATION THAT GETS SENT TO US. AND THEN USUALLY WITHIN 24 TO 48, 48 HOURS, WE, WE FOLLOW UP WITH THAT CLIENT IS USUALLY IS THE TYPICAL WAY WE DO IT. 
          NOW, THERE HAS BEEN TIMES WHERE WE'VE HEARD AN ADDRESS THAT WE, WE KNOW ON THE RADIO. AND IF WE HAVE THE CAPACITY, WE'LL HEAD OUT THERE AND. BUT WE ARE NOT A LICENSED MEDICAL UNIT JUST YET. 
          AND SO I CAN'T CLEAR A LICENSED COMPANY. RIGHT. SO. YEP. AND WHAT WOULD THAT TAKE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN? JUST WORKING WITH OUR EMS DIVISION. AND GENERALLY THOUGH, WE WOULD HAVE TO STAFF THAT WITH MORE MEMBERS. AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS A PREVENTATIVE PROGRAM, NON-EMERGENCY IN NATURE. SO YEAH. GOTCHA. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU FOR THIS WORK. WE ARE THRILLED TO SEE CASE MANAGEMENT, MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT, COMMUNITY AGENCIES ALREADY OUT DOING THIS WORK. AND I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS AROUND A ROLLOUT IN A DIVERTED CONTACT METRIC. YOU KNOW, I, I DID LOOK THROUGH THIS AND I SEE THAT SOME OF YOUR SERVICES ARE, ARE CATERING TO AN ELDERLY POPULATION AS OUR SENIORS WHO ARE AGING HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND I WONDER HOW MANY LANDLINES STILL EXIST AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT COULD INVOLVE SOMETHING LIKE, AND I'M NOT HERE TO PRESCRIBE THE ANSWERS, BUT WE KNOW TO CALL 311, WE KNOW TO CALL 211, WE KNOW TO CALL 911. WHAT KIND OF MAGNET CAN WE GET THAT IS NEAR THAT WALL HANGING PHONE SO THAT THEIR FIRST CALL ISN'T THREE DIGITS, BUT IN POWER. AND I WOULD LOVE FOR THIS BODY AND FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER SUPPORTING WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THAT EASILY IDENTIFIABLE AND, AND SAVE US ALL THOSE DOLLARS FROM RELEASING THE WHOLE TEAM. BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. OKAY. GREAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. NOT SEEING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          [2. Presentation from the Grand Rapids Police Department and Flock Safety on Automated License Plate Readers]
THANKS SO MUCH. THAT MOVES US ON TO WHAT IS PROBABLY THE CENTRAL FOCUS OF TODAY'S MEETING. AND THAT IS PRESENTATION FROM GRPD AND FROM FLOC ON AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS. AND I SEE OUR CHIEF COMING UP TO THE MICROPHONE WITH HIS DEPUTY CHIEF. SO, CHIEF, TAKE IT AWAY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE REAL QUICK. OBVIOUSLY, WITH EVERYTHING TOPICS AROUND THE COUNTRY, CONSIDERING FLOC, WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO DO A PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS ALL HERE TODAY, RIGHT. WE TRY TO THINK OF WHAT ARE THE THE HOT TOPICS SURROUNDING LAW ENFORCEMENT, I THINK WE CAN DO TO BRING IT BEFORE YOU FOR DISCUSSION. SO YOU'LL HEAR DEPUTY CHIEF MAKAROFF DO THE PRESENTATION TODAY. HE'S THE DEPUTY CHIEF IN CHARGE OF ADMINISTRATIVE AND INVESTIGATIVE SERVICES. WE ALSO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVES FROM FLOC HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN'T ANSWER. 
          AND AND GO FROM THERE. CHIEF, CAN I CLARIFY? I THINK YOU WOULD PREFER DEPUTY CHIEF MAKAROFF AND REPRESENTATIVE FROM FLOC TO GET THROUGH THE MATERIAL AND THE COMMITTEE TO HOLD THEIR QUESTIONS, CORRECT? YES. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, PUBLIC SAFETY MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. MY NAME IS MIKE MAKAROFF. I AM THE DEPUTY CHIEF HERE. I'M GOING INTO MY 31ST YEAR IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND MY 30TH YEAR AT THE CITY OF GRAND RAPIDS. AND OVER MY CAREER, TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE CHANGES IN THE INCREASES. AND I'VE BEEN VERY PROUD OF HOW OUR DEPARTMENT AND OUR CITY HAS ALSO PUT IN THE PROPER SAFEGUARDS AND PROTOCOLS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT TECHNOLOGY IS ABIDING BY THE LAW. AND WE HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING IN THIS CITY. I'M GOING TO GO OVER THIS PRESENTATION. WE ALSO HAVE MEMBERS FROM FLOC HERE AS WELL, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. WE HAVE HEARD THE CONCERNS. WE'VE BEEN HEARING THE CONCERNS, AND I'M HOPING AFTER THIS PRESENTATION, A LOT OF THOSE QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED. I'M NOT SURE ALL OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE ANSWERED. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE EVERYBODY'S MIND ON THIS TECHNOLOGY, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND HOW GRAND RAPIDS USES THIS AND THE SAFEGUARDS WE HAVE IN PLACE, THE GOVERNANCE THAT WE HAVE ON THIS TECHNOLOGY, THE PROCEDURES AND THE LAWS THAT WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY, BY CITY AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE. SO THE HISTORY OF AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS, THAT'S ALPR FOR SHORT. 
          IT'S BEEN IN THE CITY FOR ALMOST 14 YEARS. SO MORE THAN A DECADE. THE CITY COMMISSION FIRST APPROVED IT IN 2012. AND THIS COMBINATION OF HIGH SPEED COLOR INFRARED CAMERAS TO CAPTURE LICENSE PLATE IMAGES AND IMAGES OF VEHICLES, WE HAVE PARKING SCOFFLAWS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY WHERE THIS THIS TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN USED FROM PEOPLE THAT WON'T PAY THEIR PARKING TICKETS, AND IT JUST TAKES CAPTURES, LICENSE PLATES, IMAGES, VEHICLES, RECORDS, THE DATE, TIME, GPS COORDINATES AND COMPARE CAPTURE PLATES AGAINST AUTHORIZED DATABASES TO PROVIDE 
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RELEVANT VEHICLE INFORMATION TO POLICE PERSONNEL. GRPD SUBSEQUENTLY UPGRADED THIS ALPR TECHNOLOGY, WITH THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVING A PURCHASE FROM MINIMUM SECURITY TECHNOLOGIES THROUGH THE BID LIST. RESOLUTION. FEBRUARY 11TH, 2020. IN JANUARY OF 2024, THE COMMISSION APPROVED GRPD TRANSITION TO FLOCK SAFETY ALPR TECHNOLOGY THROUGH THE BID LIST RESOLUTION JANUARY 2024. SO THIS TIMELINE IS DOWN HERE. THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVED IN JANUARY 2024. WE INSTALLED THESE IN JUNE OF 2024. SO ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. WE HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN HERE AT GRPD. WE'VE BEEN VERY OPEN WITH. IT'S VERY PUBLIC. OBJECTIVE TWO IS LEVERAGING TECHNOLOGICAL OPPORTUNITIES TO DECREASE CRIME AND INCREASE EFFICIENCY WHILE ENSURING OBJECTIVE. AND I THINK THE KEY WORD HERE IS CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING AND ACCOUNTABILITY. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. WE HAVE OTHER STRATEGIES. BUT I THINK STRATEGY THREE INCREASE OFFICERS AND DETECTIVE EFFICIENCY, WHICH I THINK WE WILL PROVE FLOCK HAS DONE AND UTILIZE AUTO THEFT PREVENTION AUTHORITY GRANT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY CAMERAS. SO FLOCK. SO SOME OF THIS CAME FROM GRANT MONEY INITIALLY. WHAT FLOCK DOES NOT TRACK OR DO I THINK IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND. YOU SEE UP HERE A SNAPSHOT OF THE FILTERS THAT WE HAD PUT IN FOR IMMIGRATION, FILTER OUT IMMIGRATION SEARCHES, FILTER OUT REPRODUCTIVE CARE SEARCHES, WHY WE WOULD EVER USE THAT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE SURE AS HECK DON'T WANT ANYONE TO USE THAT. SO THAT IS IN THERE TO WE DO NOT SEARCH FOR IMMIGRATION DETAINERS, WARRANTS, OR SEARCHES FOR THAT REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH RELATED SEARCHES. WE DO NOT USE FACIAL RECOGNITION OR FACIAL IMAGE SEARCHES. WE DO NOT HAVE LIVE FLOCK CAMERA FEEDS. WE DO NOT HAVE AUDIO MONITORING OR MICROPHONE USE ON THESE CAMERAS, AND WE DO NOT SURVEIL PRIVATE PROPERTY. THESE ARE ALL PUBLIC CAMERAS. THE DETECTIVE SERGEANT OF OUR DIGITAL INTELLIGENCE UNIT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSEEING AND AUDITING. AUDITING ALL LICENSE PLATE SEARCHES CONDUCTED BY GRPD THROUGH THE FLOCK SYSTEM ON A MONTHLY BASIS. AUDITING AND USE OF FLOCK FALL UNDER USE OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION SYSTEMS. THIS IS FEDERAL LAW, SO VIOLATION OF THIS NOT ONLY CAN LEAD TO TERMINATION AND DISMISSAL, IT CAN LEAD TO CRIMINAL CHARGES. THIRD PARTY SECURITY AUDITS ARE CONDUCTED BY FLOCK AT A FREQUENCY THAT EXCEEDS INDUSTRY STANDARDS, AND THEY CAN TALK TO MORE ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. SINGLE PLATE SEARCHES AND SEARCHES OUTSIDE OF 30 DAYS ARE AUTOMATICALLY FLAGGED AND REVIEWED TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH OUR POLICY. ALL FLOCK SEARCHES CONDUCTED SINCE THE SYSTEM'S INITIAL INSTALLATION IN JUNE OF 2024 HAVE BEEN AUDITED, 30 DAY TO 30 DAY DATA RETENTION 30 DAY IS PRETTY STANDARD FOR A LOT OF DATA THROUGHOUT. MULTIPLE MUNICIPALITIES IN THIS COUNTRY. FLOCK RECORDS ARE RETAINED FOR 30 DAYS, AUTOMATICALLY DELETED THEREAFTER. THE AUDIT ASSIST FUNCTION IS ENABLED IN OUR SYSTEM, AND THIS IS ENABLED TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL COMPLIANCE ISSUES BEFORE A FORMAL AUDIT IS CONDUCTED BY THE DETECTIVE SUPERVISOR. SO IF THE SYSTEM SEES SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S COMPLYING WITH OUR POLICY AND PROCEDURES, IT AUTOMATICALLY WILL FLAG THAT, SEND IT TO THE SUPERVISOR, AND HE CAN DO THAT INVESTIGATION IMMEDIATELY. NONCOMPLIANCE OR MISUSE OF THE FLOCK SYSTEM WOULD BE REFERRED TO THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS UNIT FOR DISCIPLINE UP TO AND INCLUDING TERMINATION AND OR CRIMINAL CHARGES. NOW, I'VE SEEN WE'VE SEEN IT AROUND THE COUNTRY, PEOPLE MISUSING FLOCK FOR PERSONAL REASONS. IN THE 14 YEARS WE'VE HAD THIS, WE'VE HAD ZERO VIOLATIONS OF OUR PERSONNEL WITH THIS LPR TECHNOLOGY. WHAT DO WE USE FLOCK FOR? FLOCK ONLY BECOMES A RECORD OR A PLATE ONLY GETS KNOWN TO GRPD IS IF YOU ARE PART OF A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION OR YOU ARE MISSING OR ENDANGERED PERSON VIOLENT CRIMES INCLUDING HOMICIDES, CRIMINAL SEXUAL CONDUCT, HUMAN TRAFFICKING INVESTIGATIONS, KIDNAPINGS, AMBER AND OR NOW SILVER ALERTS PEOPLE WHO ARE OLDER WHO HAVE DEMENTIA OR ALZHEIMER'S THAT LEAVE AND GET ENTERED IN WANTED SUBJECTS. NOT ALL WANTED SUBJECTS, BUT SOME OF THE SERIOUS WANTED SUBJECTS IN STOLEN VEHICLE RECOVERY. HERE ARE JUST A FEW OF OUR KEY INVESTIGATIONS. THERE HAVE BEEN HUNDREDS IN JUST THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WHERE THIS TECHNOLOGY HAS HELPED US TAKE A VICTIM CENTERED APPROACH TO CRIME. THERE'S. BEHIND EVERY. VIOLENT CRIME IS A CRIMINAL. IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR US TO BRING JUSTICE TO THOSE VICTIMS. FEBRUARY 12TH, 2025. WE WERE DISPATCHED TO A WELFARE 
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CHECK AFTER RESIDENT HAD NOT BEEN HEARD OF FROM SEVERAL DAYS. WE WENT INTO THE APARTMENT AND LOCATED THE RESIDENT DECEASED INSIDE THE APARTMENT. IT WAS IMMEDIATELY INVESTIGATED AS A HOMICIDE AND THIS PERSON HAD BEEN DECEASED FOR A FEW DAYS. THE VICTIM'S BOYFRIEND WAS QUICKLY DEVELOPED AS A SUSPECT, DETERMINED TO HAVE LEFT THE APARTMENT IN THE VICTIM'S VEHICLE. INVESTIGATORS UTILIZED FLOCK TECHNOLOGY, ALONG WITH OTHER DIGITAL INVESTIGATIVE TOOLS, TO TRACK THE VEHICLE AND DEVELOP INFORMATION REGARDING THE SUSPECT'S LOCATION. WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO TRACK THE SUBJECT HEADING SOUTH THROUGH ILLINOIS AND THROUGH THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. THE SUSPECT WAS ULTIMATELY LOCATED IN ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO, AND APPREHENDED BY LOCAL AUTHORITIES WHILE STILL DRIVING THE VICTIM'S VEHICLE. AT THE TIME OF HIS ARREST, HE WAS STILL WEARING THE SAME CLOTHING HE HAD BEEN WEARING WHEN HE LEFT THE GRAND RAPIDS AREA AND COMMITTED THE HOMICIDE. THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY PLAYED A CRITICAL ROLE IN LOCATING AND APPREHENDING THE HOMICIDE SUSPECT. REMARKABLY, THE SUSPECT WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY WHILE WE WERE STILL PROCESSING THIS CRIME SCENE. THIS WAS A EXTREMELY VALUABLE FLOCK USE, ALONG WITH OTHER DIGITAL TOOLS AND RAPIDLY DEVELOPED CRITICAL LEADS, AND ASSISTED US IN LOCATING A MURDER SUSPECT THROUGH MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS. 
          WE BELIEVE THE SUBJECT WAS TRYING TO FLEE THE COUNTRY. ON JUNE 18TH, 2025, OFFICERS RESPONDED TO A MISSING PERSON REPORT INVOLVING A VICTIM WITH STAGE FOUR CANCER WHO HAD SIGNS OF DEMENTIA. THIS WOULD BE MORE OF YOUR SILVER ALERT. THE VICTIM HAD LEFT A RESIDENCE IN HIS VEHICLE. WE USED THE FLOCK TECHNOLOGY TO DETERMINE THAT WHERE THAT VEHICLE HAD BEEN AND SEND OFFICERS TO THAT AREA. THROUGH THAT AND OTHER INVESTIGATIVE TOOLS, WE'RE ABLE TO TRACK THE VICTIM'S MOVEMENTS AND LOCATE THEM AND RETURN THEM HOME SAFELY. WE HAD ANOTHER ONE. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, THIS ONE DIDN'T END THE WAY WE WANTED, BUT WE HAD A PERSON WHO WAS UNDER MENTAL DISTRESS, COLLEGE STUDENT, AND TURNED OFF THE TRACKING DEVICE IN HIS VEHICLE DID NOT WANT TO BE FOUND. THIS WAS AN ENTIRE SEARCH THROUGHOUT WEST MICHIGAN TO FIND THIS YOUNG MAN. UNFORTUNATELY, HE DID END HIS LIFE, BUT THROUGH THE TECHNOLOGY WE WERE ABLE TO LOCATE WHERE HE WAS IN THAT VICINITY AND LOCATE HIM PROBABLY A HECK OF A LOT QUICKER THAN WHAT IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN, OR THEIR FAMILY STUMBLING ACROSS HIM. IT DIDN'T END HOW HE WANTED TO, BUT WE'RE BRINGING SOME SORT OF CLOSURE TO THAT FAMILY BY DOING SO. 
          THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE USED FLOCK TO ASSIST SOME OF OUR AREA WEST MICHIGAN PARTNER AGENCIES. GRAND RAPIDS POLICE PERSONNEL WERE NOTIFIED THAT MUSKEGON POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS CONDUCTING A HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION IN THEIR JURISDICTION. MUSKEGON POLICE ADVISED THE SUSPECT INVOLVED IN THAT HOMICIDE MIGHT BE TRAVELING TO GRAND RAPIDS AND PROVIDE A DESCRIPTION OF THE SUSPECT VEHICLE. SO NOW WE HAVE A MURDERER FROM ANOTHER JURISDICTION COMING INTO THE CITY OF GRAND RAPIDS. USING OUR FLOCK TECHNOLOGY, WE'RE ABLE TO IDENTIFY AN AREA WHERE THE VEHICLE HAD RECENTLY BEEN DETECTED. OFFICERS AND DETECTIVES RESPONDED TO THAT AREA, LOCATED THE UNOCCUPIED VEHICLE AND ESTABLISHED SURVEILLANCE. WHILE CONDUCTING SURVEILLANCE, INVESTIGATORS OBSERVED THE SUSPECTS ENTER A DIFFERENT VEHICLE WHILE RETRIEVING ITEMS FROM THE VEHICLE. WE STOPPED THEM AND PUT THEM INTO CUSTODY. WE WERE ABLE TO ABLE TO QUICKLY ASSIST A NEIGHBORING JURISDICTION IN LOCATING AND APPREHENDING INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED IN A VIOLENT CRIME. THE COORDINATED RESPONSE ALSO HELPED IDENTIFY AND ADDRESS POTENTIAL THREAT TO THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF OUR COMMUNITY IN GRAND RAPIDS. THIS IS ONE THAT HAPPENED DURING THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, THE LAST ONE. AND MAN, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE HEARD ALL OF THE SIRENS GOING AROUND TOWN. 
          WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO LOCATE A VIOLENT OFFENDER WITH MULTIPLE OUTSTANDING WARRANTS, INCLUDING A WARRANT FOR ASSAULT WITH INTENT TO MURDER. THIS YOUNG MAN HAD BEEN FLEEING FROM US FOR ABOUT THE LAST 12 HOURS. THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF GRAND RAPIDS. WE HAD TO TERMINATE THE PURSUIT BECAUSE IT HAD GOTTEN TOO DANGEROUS. USING FLOCK TECHNOLOGY, OFFICERS ABLE TO DETERMINE THE VEHICLE HAD TRAVELED INTO THE MUSKEGON AREA. WE RESPONDED THERE, SET UP SURVEILLANCE, AND WERE ABLE TO SEE THIS VEHICLE AS IT RESPONDED BACK INTO THE CITY. 
          DUE TO HAVING THIS INFORMATION AND THE LOCATION OF WHERE THIS VEHICLE WAS, A COORDINATED PATROL RESPONSE WAS DEVELOPED, INCLUDING PLANS TO DEPLOY TIRE DEFLATION DEVICES IF APPROPRIATE. HE EXITED THE HIGHWAY. HE FAILED TO STOP AGAIN. OFFICERS WERE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY DEPLOY THE TIRE DEFLATION DEVICE ON THE VEHICLE, AND HE WAS THEN TAKEN INTO CUSTODY WITHOUT INCIDENT. THE USE OF THIS TECHNOLOGY AGAIN PROVIDED OFFICERS WITH CRITICAL INFORMATION THAT ALLOWED THEM TO DEVELOP A COORDINATED APPREHENSION PLAN, TAKING A VIOLENT OFFENDER INTO CUSTODY AND MINIMIZE THE POTENTIAL DANGER TO THE CITIZENS OF GRAND RAPIDS. NOW, CITY CLERK HONDORP HAS A RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR ABSENTEE BALLOT BOXES FOR THE SECURITY OF THEM. ANYTIME THERE'S DAMAGE TO THEM, HE CALLS ME. WE'VE ONLY HAD TWO. 
          THE LAST ONE WAS EXTREMELY CONCERNING TO US. IT SHOULD BE VERY CONCERNING TO US AS A 
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COMMUNITY AS WELL. ON ELECTION EVE, AUGUST 3RD AT 1019 IN THE MORNING. MIND YOU, THE YANKEE CLIPPER LIBRARY AND THE BALLOT BOX. ESSENTIALLY, IF YOU LOOK OUTSIDE THE LIBRARY FACES LEONARD PUBLIC AREA. THERE IS A CAMERA ON THAT WHICH THEY HAVE TO HAVE, I BELIEVE BY LAW, THE 67 YEAR OLD MALE PULLED UP WEARING HEARING PROTECTION, DROVE UP TO THE LIBRARY AND FIRED A HANDGUN ROUND THROUGH THAT ABSENTEE BALLOT BOX IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, FIVE SECONDS AFTER HE FIRED THAT ROUND, A CITY WORKER DROVE BY IN THEIR VEHICLE. IN THE SAME TRAJECTORY OF THAT ROUND, WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO OBTAIN A VEHICLE DESCRIPTION FROM THE SURVEILLANCE VIDEO AND THE FIRST CHARACTER OF THAT LICENSE PLATE. AFTER RECEIVING THE VIDEO, WE TURNED IT OVER. I TURNED IT OVER TO MY DETECTIVES. THEY'RE USUALLY ABLE TO USE THE FLOCK SYSTEM TO IDENTIFY A VEHICLE MATCHING THAT DESCRIPTION. THEY DETERMINED THE SAME INDIVIDUAL HAD BEEN ARRESTED THREE DAYS LATER, AFTER LEAVING THE SAME LIBRARY FOR DRUNK DRIVING AND HAD THIS FIREARM ON HIM, WE WERE ABLE TO SEIZE THAT FIREARM, PUT HIM INTO CUSTODY, AND CHARGES ARE PENDING ON THAT. AND WE HAVE THIS VIDEO HERE. THIS IS THE FLOCK PICTURE THAT WE GOT. THAT'S WHAT WE GET WHEN WE HAVE A FLOCK PICTURE USED. YOU'LL SEE HIM COME UP. WE BLURRED IT OUT, BUT HE'S WEARING HEARING PROTECTION. YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A DELAY HERE BECAUSE IT'S A MOTION ACTIVATED CAMERA. IT POPS OUT, BUT HE SITS HERE FOR ALMOST A MINUTE UNTIL HE LINES UP AND THEN FIRES A HOLE THROUGH THAT. NOW WATCH. FIVE SECONDS LATER, THE NEXT VEHICLE THAT GOES BY CITY EMPLOYEE. THIS IS WHERE IT HAPPENED. IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, BUT IF YOU KNOW WHERE MARQUETTE IS ON THE MAP RIGHT UP HERE, YOU SEE THE HOLE GO RIGHT THROUGH THERE. AND THAT WAS THE WEAPON HE USED. AGAIN, VERY CONCERNING, NOT THE CRIME OF THE CENTURY, BUT POTENTIALLY A PERSON OUT THERE FIRING AROUND THROUGH ABSENTEE BALLOT BOXES IS AN EXTREME CONCERN. FINAL THOUGHTS HERE BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO FLOCK. 
          FLOCK IS A TOOL. OKAY, THIS IS JUST A TOOL. IT'S NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING. OUR CAMERAS OBSERVE VEHICLES AND LICENSE PLATES THAT ARE ALREADY EXPOSED TO THE PUBLIC VIEW. MICHIGAN COURTS HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT THERE IS NO REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY TO LICENSE PLATE OPENLY DISPLAYED ON A VEHICLE, AND I KNOW THAT DOESN'T ASSUAGE A LOT OF PEOPLE. THEY STILL THEY STILL LOOK AT THIS AS AS BAD MICHIGAN COURTS HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT. THAT IS NOT A REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY. BUT IN GRAND RAPIDS, WE'VE GONE FURTHER. WE'VE PUT SIGNIFICANT RESTRICTIONS AROUND HOW THAT TECHNOLOGY CAN BE USED. 
          WE PROHIBIT IMMIGRATION RELATED SEARCHES, REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS INVESTIGATIONS, FACIAL RECOGNITION, AUDIO MONITORING, AND LIVE CAMERA FEEDS. SEARCHES ARE AUDITED, ACCESS IS CONTROLLED AND INFORMATION IS RETAINED FOR A LIMITED PERIOD. MOST IMPORTANTLY, THIS ISN'T ABOUT COLLECTING INFORMATION FROM THE SAKE OF COLLECTING IT. THIS DOESN'T EVEN BECOME KNOWN TO US OF WHO'S DRIVING DOWN THE STREET. UNLESS YOU'RE INVOLVED IN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION OR YOU'RE MISSING OR ENDANGERED PERSON. OUR INVESTIGATORS HAVE USED FLOCK TO LOCATE MISSING PEOPLE, STOLEN VEHICLES, AND MANY, MANY VIOLENT OFFENDERS AND ASSIST IN SOLVING HUNDREDS OF CRIMES. WE BELIEVE THE APPROPRIATE STANDARD IS NOT WHETHER TECHNOLOGY CAN BE MISUSED. ANY TECHNOLOGY CAN BE MISUSED. JUST LOOK AT THE PHONES THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW. IT'S WHETHER IT'S BEING USED LAWFULLY, RESPONSIBLY, TRANSPARENTLY, AND WITH MEANINGFUL ACCOUNTABILITY, WHICH WE HAVE ENACTED IN OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND BY ABIDING BY THE LAW IN GRAND RAPIDS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER REAL QUICK TO THIS IS CARRIE MCCORMICK. AND JUST REAL QUICK, THIS IS JUST A COUPLE STATISTICS HERE IN COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE THIS, OVER 10,000 MISSING PEOPLE HAVE BEEN LOCATED, AND 40% OF OUR STOLEN VEHICLES THAT ARE INVESTIGATED THROUGH FLOCK HAVE BEEN RECOVERED. THANK YOU. YEAH. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU, DEPUTY CHIEF. AND TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, CITIZEN MEMBERS, MEMBERS OF ADMINISTRATION AND THE COMMUNITY, THANK YOU FOR INVITING US HERE TODAY. WE WILL BE SUCCINCT, BUT OF COURSE, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AS WELL. MY NAME IS CARRIE MCCORMICK. I'M AN EXTERNAL AFFAIRS TEAM AT FLOCK. I'M HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE MIKE JUST TO INTRODUCE HIM HERE TODAY. HE'S YOUR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVE THAT MANAGES THE ACCOUNT HERE. SO HE'S ON OUR SALES TEAM. I'M ON OUR EXTERNAL AFFAIRS TEAM. SO YOU HEARD A LOT JUST NOW FROM THE PD ABOUT 
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LOCAL USES AND HOW THE TOOL IS APPLIED HERE. I'M GOING TO SPEAK MORE GENERALLY ABOUT THE COMPANY AND THE TECHNOLOGY. AND AGAIN WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. SO JUST WHO IS FLOCK. 
          SO FLOCK IS AN AMERICAN COMPANY. FLOCK WAS FOUNDED IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA. AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S STILL HEADQUARTERED TODAY. FLOCK TECHNOLOGY IS DEPLOYED IN 49 STATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          AROUND 6000 AGENCIES, FROM SMALL TOWNS TO BIG CITIES TO MIDSIZE CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SO JUST A QUICK SNAPSHOT ON THAT. AGAIN, THOSE ABOUT 6000 LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, ABOUT 2800 CRIMES SOLVED USING FLOCK A DAY. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, ABOUT A MILLION SUCCESSFUL USES OF FLOCK TECHNOLOGY FOR CRIMINAL CASES IN 2025. THAT'S OVER THE WHOLE NETWORK AS A WHOLE, AND OVER ABOUT 10,000 MISSING PERSONS RECOVERED AS WELL. AND THAT'S AGAIN COUNTRYWIDE. SO JUST TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY AND WHY WE BELIEVE IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND SUCCESSFUL TOOL. SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE TECHNOLOGY IS INFRASTRUCTURE FREE. MOSTLY. THERE ARE CERTAIN CASES WHERE THERE HAS TO BE POWER, BUT IN GENERAL IT IS INFRASTRUCTURE FREE AND IT IS SOLAR POWERED AND WIRELESS. SO THE CAMERAS ARE POWERED BY MOTHER NATURE AND THEY ARE CONNECTED TO CELLULAR NETWORKS. 
          MACHINE LEARNING IS ALSO INVOLVED IN THE CAMERAS. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IS THAT WHEN NEW CARS COME OUT OR NEW PLATES COME OUT, THE SYSTEM HAS TO BE UPDATED AND TRAINED SO THAT THE ACCURACY OF THE PLATE READERS ARE THERE. AND ACCURACY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO ENSURE THAT THE LICENSE PLATE THAT A POLICE OFFICER IS PUTTING IN, IN FACT, MATCHES THE PLATE ON THE ON THE ROAD AS WELL. IMPORTANT COMPONENT, TOO, IS THAT REAL TIME ALERTING? WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT CRIMES ARE MISSING. PEOPLE HAPPEN QUICKLY, AND ATTENTION TO THOSE ISSUES IS PARAMOUNT QUICKLY AS WELL. SO YOUR OFFICERS CAN PUT IN A LICENSE PLATE THAT THEY KNOW IS ASSOCIATED WITH A MISSING PERSON OR A CRIME. AND IF THAT PLATE DRIVES PAST A CAMERA, IT WILL ALERT YOUR OFFICERS IN UNDER 60S THAT THAT SPECIFIC PLATE HAS PASSED A CAMERA, ALLOWING YOUR OFFICERS TO QUICKLY DEPLOY, WHETHER THAT IS A DANGEROUS SUSPECT, WHETHER THAT IS A GRANDPA WHO HAS COGNITIVE CHALLENGES, A MISSING CHILD, THEY'RE ABLE TO QUICKLY LOCATE THAT VEHICLE AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION FROM THERE. 
          A COUPLE QUICK NOTES ON THAT. AGAIN, THERE'S KIND OF TWO WAYS THE SYSTEM FUNCTIONS. THERE IS THAT PROACTIVE ALERT. SO AGAIN, PLATES ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM PASSES A CAMERA. IT'S GOING TO ALERT YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE SECOND COMPONENT WOULD BE A RETROACTIVE SEARCH. SO THAT IS LET'S SAY TWO WEEKS AFTER A CRIME HAPPENS, NEW CCTV FOOTAGE COMES OUT AND YOUR POLICE OFFICER IDENTIFIES A VEHICLE ASSOCIATED WITH A CRIME. THEY CAN GO INTO THE SYSTEM AND THEY CAN SEARCH TO SEE IF THAT VEHICLE, OVER THE RETENTION PERIOD PASSED, ANY OF THOSE CAMERAS. AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT. SO THE RETROACTIVE SEARCH OVER A 30 DAY PERIOD, THAT'S THE LIFE SPAN OF THE DATA AND THOSE PROACTIVE ALERTS AND ALSO THAT LEADING NATIONAL NETWORK. SO YOU HEARD HERE TODAY, BUT WE ALSO HEAR STORIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WHETHER IT IS MISSING PEOPLE THAT GO ACROSS STATE LINES. THE CITY I LIVE IN CLEVELAND, OHIO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE HAVE DRUG TRAFFICKING THAT WILL GO UP AND DOWN STATE LINES. HOMICIDE SUSPECTS. THEY DON'T USUALLY STAY IN ONE COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING ABLE TO SHARE WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES TO COLLABORATE ON POLICING. COLLABORATIVE POLICING IS NOT A NEW THING. FLOCK DID NOT INVENT IT, BUT THE TOOL CAN ASSIST WITH THAT. IMPORTANTLY, WHAT WE'LL GET INTO THOUGH, IS YOUR AGENCY DECIDES IF THEY WANT TO SHARE AND WITH WHOM, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT. SO THIS JUST GIVES YOU LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT, WE THOUGHT WE'D BREAK IT UP A LITTLE BIT. SO I'M NOT JUST TALKING THE WHOLE TIME. SO MIKE IS GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT AN OFFICER WOULD SEE AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. GOOD AFTERNOON, AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AGAIN. MY NAME IS MIKE LAMPMAN. I AM THE LOCAL REP HERE FOR GRAND RAPIDS POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS MANY OTHER AGENCIES IN THE WESTERN MICHIGAN AREA. WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU IS A SCREENSHOT OF THE ACTUAL SEARCH PLATFORM THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT UTILIZES WHEN THEY'RE CONDUCTING A SEARCH, AND I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH SEVERAL OF THE SAFEGUARDS AND ALSO THE CASE REASONS WHY LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN ACCESS IT, AND HOW IT ALSO STREAMLINES THE DATA TO WHAT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR. SO STARTING OFF HERE TO ACCESS THE FLOCK SYSTEM AND RUN A SEARCH, LAW ENFORCEMENT NEEDS A VALID CRIMINAL OFFENSE IN ORDER TO ENTER ANY TYPE OF INFORMATION IN FOR A SEARCH. SO THESE ARE LINED WITH THE FBI'S 55 NIBRS CODES, WHICH ARE CLASS A OFFENSES. SO THIS IS NOT CIVIL 
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OR TRAFFIC OFFENSES. THESE ARE ACTUAL CRIMINAL OFFENSES THAT HAVE TO BE TIED TO A CRIMINAL CASE. LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTERS THAT IN. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A CASE NUMBER REQUIREMENT THAT IS ALSO ENTERED INTO THE SYSTEM. RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A OPTIONAL FEATURE FOR AGENCIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. GRAND RAPIDS HAS ALREADY PROACTIVELY MADE THIS MANDATORY FOR ALL SEARCHES INSIDE THE SYSTEM. IT WILL ALSO BE MANDATORY FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY BY JANUARY 1ST, 2027. THE REASON IT'S NOT MANDATORY IS BECAUSE THERE IS ALWAYS EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THERE MAY NOT BE A CASE NUMBER IDENTIFIED YET, OR GENERATED OR PUSHED OUT TO THE PATROL OFFICER THAT MAY NEED TO EXPEDITE THAT SEARCH, BUT IT IS GOING TO BECOME MANDATORY BY THE END OF THE YEAR. THE REST OF THIS IS TO HELP STREAMLINE THE INFORMATION THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS GOING TO BE GETTING ACCESS TO AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND. SO IF THE LICENSE PLATE IS KNOWN, THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD GET ENTERED. AND THAT'S ALL REALLY LAW ENFORCEMENT NEEDS IN ORDER TO RUN THE SEARCH. BUT HERE IN MICHIGAN, WE ONLY HAVE REAR FACING LICENSE PLATES. SO THAT MEANS A LOT OF TIMES WITNESS STATEMENTS OR CCTV, CCTV FOOTAGE IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT LICENSE PLATE. ALSO, OFTENTIMES CRIMINALS WILL EITHER OBSCURE THEIR PLATES, REMOVE THEIR PLATES, AND THAT'S WHERE THE VEHICLE SEARCH BY US VEHICLE FINGERPRINT. WELL WE LIKE TO CALL IT IS IMPORTANT. SO WITH THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN GO AHEAD AND SEARCH BY BODY STYLE MAKE. SO OUR SYSTEM CAN DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN A DODGE TO A CHEVY, TO A GM, TO A FORD, AND THEN ALSO COLORS OR OTHER UNIQUE IDENTIFIERS. ALSO, LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN THEN GO AHEAD AND THEY CAN SET THE SEARCH PARAMETER FOR WHERE, WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR THIS CAR. AGAIN, THE IDEA IS GOING TO BE STREAMLINING THE AREA THAT THEY'RE SEARCHING TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT INVESTIGATION THAT THEY'RE CONDUCTING, SO THEY CAN SET THEIR SEARCH TO AS LITTLE AS ONE CAMERA AND ONE TIME WITHIN ONE MINUTE, OR THEY CAN EXPAND THAT SEARCH OUT IF THE INVESTIGATION TIMELINE IS UNKNOWN OR VARIABLE, OR THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT SUSPECT VEHICLE HAD GONE. AND THIS IS WHAT AN EXAMPLE IMAGE OF WHAT LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTUALLY GETS TO SEE. SO YOU'LL SEE IT'S TRAINED ON A PUBLIC ROADWAY. THIS IS A FIXED IMAGE. SO IT IS NOT A VIDEO STREAM. IT IS A FIXED IMAGE OF A POINT IN TIME SNAPSHOT OF THE REAR OF THE VEHICLE, CAPTURING THE LICENSE PLATE, AND ALSO ARMS LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT VEHICLE. SO AN OFFICER THAT'S CONDUCTING AN INVESTIGATION CAN SEE THE PAINT CONDITION IF THERE'S ANY DAMAGE ON THE BACK, IF THERE'S ANY MODIFICATIONS MADE TO THE VEHICLE. ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE VERY IMPORTANT FOR INVESTIGATORS TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THEIR SUSPECT PROFILE AND TO ALSO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE ENTERING THE CORRECT VEHICLE INTO THEIR HOTLIST FUNCTION, AND ALSO FOR THE RESPONDING OFFICERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE CONDUCTING A STOP OR POTENTIAL ARREST, THAT THEY ARE MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE APPROACHING THE CORRECT SUSPECT VEHICLE BECAUSE THEY CAN SEE AND MATCH UP THOSE CHARACTERISTICS. ANOTHER THING THAT I LIKE FOR THIS IS THAT IT ENSURES OBJECTIVE AND NON-BIASED INVESTIGATIONS, BECAUSE THAT IS VERY CLEAR THAT VEHICLE WAS EITHER IN THE VICINITY WHERE THAT CRIME WAS COMMITTED OR IT WAS NOT. OKAY. THANK YOU MIKE. AND SO JUST TO WALK THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THE TOOL IS EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE TO FIGHTING CRIME, TO INVESTIGATIONS AND TO FINDING MISSING PEOPLE. WE ALSO KNOW THAT CYBERSECURITY AND PRIVACY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. SO I'M JUST GOING TO QUICKLY WALK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE COMPONENTS THAT ARE BUILT INTO THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, AS I HIT ON EARLIER, AGENCY SHARING CAN BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR COLLABORATIVE POLICING, BUT THAT IS UP TO YOUR AGENCY. WHEN YOU SIGN UP WITH FLOC, YOU ARE SHARING WITH NO ONE. FROM THERE, YOU CAN ENTER INTO SHARING RELATIONSHIPS. SOME FOLKS WILL DO REGIONAL, SOME FOLKS WILL DO STATEWIDE, AND SOME FOLKS ALSO DO NATIONAL SHARING AS WELL. IMPORTANTLY, YOU CAN ALWAYS PULL THAT BACK TOO. SO LET'S SAY YOU WERE SHARING IN A WIDER SENSE AND YOUR COMMUNITY OR YOUR COUNCIL OR YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT SAID, WE DON'T NEED TO BE DOING THAT ANYMORE. YOU CAN ALWAYS GO IN AND LIMIT THAT AS WELL. SO YOU'RE ABLE TO CHANGE THOSE FEATURES. AND ALL OF THOSE CHANGES ARE RECORDED IN OUR AUDITING SYSTEM. SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO IN AND SEE IF AND BY WHOM THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE. OUR TRANSPARENCY PORTALS IS ANOTHER COMPONENT. 
          THIS IS A PUBLIC FACING WEBSITE THAT JUST SHOWS TO THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ABOUT THE SYSTEM. 
          SO WHO ARE YOU SHARING WITH? HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE YOU SHARING WITH? HOW MANY CAMERAS DO YOU HAVE? WHAT DO THE CAMERAS CAPTURE? WHAT DON'T THEY CAPTURE? SOME FOLKS WILL POST THEIR POLICIES ON THERE AS WELL. SO IT'S JUST MORE OF A PUBLIC PORTAL, THE DATA. AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DATA HERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PHOTOS AND ASSOCIATED LOCATION DATA. 
          SO WHERE THE PHOTO WAS TAKEN, WHAT TIME THINGS OF THAT NATURE IT IS ENCRYPTED FROM FRONT TO 
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BACK. SO THE MOMENT THE PHOTO WAS TAKEN TO ITS LIFESPAN ON THE CLOUD, THAT DATA IS ENCRYPTED FOR SECURITY PURPOSES. AS MIKE MENTIONED EARLIER, THOSE MANDATORY OFFENSE TYPES AND FILTERS ARE IN PLACE. AGAIN, THE CASE NUMBER WILL BE REQUIRED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW YEAR. YOUR COMMUNITY IS ALREADY DOING IT. THAT'S THE BEST PRACTICE. BUT AGAIN, RECENTLY, FLOC ANNOUNCED THAT THEY WILL BE REQUIRING IT ACROSS THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. THOSE ARE JUST IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT IF AND WHEN YOU GO BACK TO AUDIT, YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE NOT ONLY WHICH OFFICER SEARCHED FOR WHAT REASON, WHAT THE RESULT WAS, BUT THE ASSOCIATED CASE NUMBER THERE AS WELL. SO THEY CAN SAY, PULL UP THAT CASE. WHAT WAS IT? WHAT WERE WE LOOKING FOR? THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO IT'S AN ACCOUNTABILITY FEATURE, THE AUDIT ASSISTANCE TOOL. THIS IS A GREAT TOOL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL ARE USING. THEY ARE GREAT. YOU GUYS ARE BEST PRACTICE. AGAIN, THE AUDIT ASSISTANCE TOOL WITH THIS DOES IS ONE OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM COMMUNITIES WAS THE AUDITS. GREAT. BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CAPACITY ISSUES. WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, OFFICERS TO BE ABLE TO GO IN THERE AND FOCUS IN ON ALL THE AUDITS. SO WHAT THE AUDIT ASSISTANCE TOOL DOES IS IT FLAGS IRREGULAR ACTIVITY ON THE SYSTEM. IMPORTANTLY, THIS DOES NOT ASSUME WRONGDOING. IT DOES NOT ASSUME ILLEGAL USE OR IMPROPER USE. WHAT IT DOES IS IT FLAGS IRREGULAR ACTIVITY TO THE ADMINISTRATOR. SO LET'S SAY OFFICER KERRY NORMALLY IS SEARCHING TEN PLATES A WEEK. 
          ONE WEEK I SEARCHED 100. THE SYSTEM IS GOING TO SHOOT AN EMAIL TO THE CHIEF AND THE ADMINISTRATOR TO SAY, HEY, CHECK THIS OUT. OFFICER KERRY IS SEARCHING WAY MORE THAN HE NORMALLY DOES. YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THIS. AND THEY MIGHT COME TO ME AND I MIGHT SAY, YEAH, WE GOT A CROSS STATE DRUG INVESTIGATION AND IT'S REALLY REQUIRING A LOT MORE SEARCHES. 
          IT CHECKS OUT OR THERE'S A PROBLEM. SO THE AUDIT ASSISTANCE TOOL REALLY PUTS FORTH THAT IRREGULAR USE, WHICH IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. AND THAT DATA IS HELD FOR 30 DAYS. 
          SO AGAIN THE PHOTO WITH THE METADATA, IT IS HARD DELETED, DIGITALLY SANITIZED AND UNRECOVERABLE AFTER THAT 30 DAYS. SO THAT MEANS THAT EVEN IF YOUR DEPARTMENT WANTS TO GO IN 30, 30 DAYS PLUS ONE MINUTE TO LOOK FOR A PHOTO, IT'S GONE AND UNRECOVERABLE. SO WE DO HAVE AGENCIES THAT WILL CALL US AND SAY, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE. WE HAD A CRIME THAT HAPPENED 32 DAYS AGO. OUR RESPONSE IS, WE'RE SORRY THAT THAT DATA IS GONE. THE ONE EXCEPTION THERE IS IF YOUR AGENCY DOWNLOADS A SPECIFIC PHOTO AND CONNECTION WITH A WITH A INVESTIGATION, THEN THAT PHOTO WOULD BE SAVED ON YOUR LOCAL SERVER. SO AGAIN, THAT PRIVACY CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. SO I'M JUST GOING TO RUN THROUGH THESE QUICKLY. WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THE SLIDESHOW TO YOU ALL AFTER THIS SO THAT YOU DON'T KNOW QUIZ ON THIS AFTER. BUT THAT DATA IN OUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS CLEARLY STATES THE DATA IS 100% OWNED BY OUR CUSTOMERS AND IS NEVER SOLD. YOU KNOW, WE JUST WE JUST UPDATED OUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS AGAIN TO EXPLICITLY PUT THE LANGUAGE THAT IS NEVER SOLD IN THERE AS WELL. SO THE DATA IS OWNED BY OUR CUSTOMERS IS NEVER SOLD. THAT IS IN OUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT WE LEGALLY AGREE UPON TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY, WITH OUR CUSTOMERS, THE PRIVATE CUSTOMERS. SO WE DO HAVE PRIVATE CUSTOMERS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, LOWES, SOME MOM AND POP SHOPS DO HAVE CAMERAS. THEY HAVE NO ACCESS, RIGHT. OR ABILITY TO GOVERNMENT DATABASES. SO THEY CAN'T LOOK UP STATE OR FEDERAL OR LOCAL HOT LISTS, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. THEY CAN PROVIDE INFORMATION TO YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT. LET'S SAY THEY HAD A CRIME COMMITTED ON THEIR IN THEIR PROPERTY, LIKE THEY WOULD CCTV OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT DATA. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT 30 DAY DEFAULT THAT DOES VARY AROUND THE COUNTRY. SO SOME STATES HAVE LAWS THAT REQUIRE LESS. SOME STATES HAVE LAWS THAT REQUIRE MORE. AND SO THAT WILL VARY BY STATE. IF THERE ARE LAWS IN PLACE OR IF THE COMMUNITY DECIDES THAT WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE INFORMATION. 
          SO THESE ARE ON A PUBLIC ROAD THAT TAKE A PHOTO OF A STATE ISSUED LICENSE PLATE IN THE BACK OF THE VEHICLE. AND THEN WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THAT SHARING AND THAT NONE OF OUR TECHNOLOGY HAS FACIAL RECOGNITION ACROSS THE PLATFORM. SO CYBERSECURITY ALSO REALLY IMPORTANT. AND AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES. THIS IS A HEAVY SLIDE. WE ARE GOING TO SEND THIS TO YOU. SO YOU CAN DO YOU CAN LOOK THIS UP ON YOUR OWN, BUT ENSURING THAT THAT DATA IS SECURE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. NOW THE DATA IS PHOTOS OF A BACK OF A VEHICLE AND THE LICENSE PLATE. THERE IS NO CONNECTION TO THE DMV IN OUR SYSTEM. SO YOUR OFFICERS LIKE THEY WOULD WITH OR WITHOUT OUR TECHNOLOGY. IF THERE IS A SUSPECT, THEY WOULD RUN THAT PLATE THROUGH THEIR EXISTING DATABASES WITH OR WITHOUT OUR TECHNOLOGY. IT'S THE SAME THING HERE. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DATA, IT IS THE RAW PHOTOS OF THE BACK OF THE VEHICLE. IT IS ENCRYPTED FROM END TO END. THE SYSTEM IS FBINDAACS CERTIFIED. SO THIS IS THE NATIONAL DEFENSE 
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AUTHORIZATION ACT. THESE ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE SYSTEM DOES INTEGRATE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT DATA. SO ENSURING THAT IT HAS THOSE CERTIFICATIONS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. IN ADDITION, SOC TWO AND ISO THOSE ARE INDUSTRY STANDARD INDEPENDENT CYBERSECURITY AND DATA STORAGE AUDITS. YOUR AGENCY HAS THROUGH THEIR PORTAL HAS ACCESS TO READ THOSE. THOSE ARE INDEPENDENT AUDITS OF OUR SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO THROUGH THAT. TALK ABOUT OUR CYBERSECURITY MEASURES. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ALSO BROUGHT ON BISHOP FOX, WHICH IS AGAIN, A NATIONALLY RENOWNED CYBERSECURITY COMPANY. AND THEY WHILE THESE AUDITS ARE ANNUAL, BISHOP FOX IS ON A CONTINUAL BASIS AUDITING OUR SYSTEM, LOOKING FOR VULNERABILITIES. THE COMPANY ANNOUNCED TWO WEEKS AGO THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE RELEASING THAT BISHOP FOX REPORT IN SEPTEMBER NEXT MONTH. THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE THAT I WANTED TO TOUCH ON TO THAT WILL BE ROLLING OUT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE BECAUSE I GET THIS QUESTION A LOT. HEY, WORK. WELL, IF WE'RE WE KNOW WHAT OUR OFFICERS ARE SEARCHING FOR ON OUR DATABASE, ON OUR, ON OUR, WITH OUR DATA. BUT WHAT IF WE SHARE WITH DETROIT AND WE ONLY WANT DETROIT TO BE ABLE TO SEARCH OUR DATABASE FOR HOMICIDE AND MISSING PEOPLE. WELL, WHAT THIS TOOL WILL DO IS IF YOU, YOUR AGENCY CHOOSES TO GO INTO A SHARING RELATIONSHIP, THEY WILL ALSO THEN BE ABLE TO SAY, WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU DETROIT, BUT YOU CAN ONLY SEARCH OUR DATA FOR THESE CRITERIA, OR YOU CAN SEARCH IT FOR ALL OF THE CRIMINAL CODES. SO THIS IS AN IMPORTANT DIFFERENTIATION BECAUSE WE DO GET THAT QUESTION. WHAT IF WE WANT TO SHARE WITH SOMEONE BUT REALLY LIMIT WHAT THEY CAN UTILIZE ON OUR SYSTEM. SO THAT IS COMING OUT. LET'S JUST HIT THIS STRAIGHT ON. WE ARE THE ONLY MAJOR A LPLALPR PROVIDER IN THE NETWORK THAT DOES NOT HAVE CONTRACTS WITH DHS AND ICE WITHIN OUR SYSTEM. THEY DO NOT HAVE AN ACCOUNT YOU CANNOT DIRECTLY SHARE WITH THEM IN OUR SYSTEM. SO I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS. WE GET THIS QUESTION AND OUT OF THE COMPETITORS THAT ARE OUT THERE, WE'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACTS WITH THEM. SO JUST A COUPLE OF OUR PARTNERS, WE'RE PROUD TO WORK WITH THE NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN THAT IS IN THE WORK TO FIND MISSING CHILDREN, AS WELL AS MOTHERS AGAINST DRUNK DRIVING. THIS IS USED FREQUENTLY, UNFORTUNATELY, WITH HIT AND RUNS. WHEN SOMEONE IS EITHER HIT A PEDESTRIAN, A BICYCLE, A CYCLIST OR IN A VEHICLE AS WELL. ON WAY TOO OFTEN THOSE THOSE FOLKS FLEE. AND SO THE TOOL IS USED FOR THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TODAY, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANKS. YES. FOR YOU. LET ME BRIEFLY THANK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CHIEF AND DEPUTY CHIEF FOR COMING FORWARD AND FOR BEING HERE AS OUR GUEST TODAY. I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE CITY COMMISSION, MY OFFICE, AS WELL AS PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, DID RECEIVE A LETTER TODAY FROM LIZ BLACK ON BEHALF OF THE ACLU ABOUT CONCERNS. SO COMMITTEE MEMBERS SHOULD HAVE THAT AS WELL AS I'VE SHARED IT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE OFFICE OF PUBLIC OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KILGORE. YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU, DEPUTY CHIEF. THAT WAS REALLY NICE. WE HEARD THE WORD OR THE PHRASE BEST PRACTICES USED FREQUENTLY. AND I DO THINK IT'S A BEST PRACTICE TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT AND OPEN. AND SO I'M REALLY THANKFUL THAT THE GRPD WAS TRANSPARENT TODAY WITH THIS PRESENTATION. THE MAYOR, AS YOU KNOW, BEING A LEGISLATOR IN LANSING, I'D JUST LIKE TO READ INTO THE RECORD A FEW PARAGRAPHS FROM THE ACLU LETTER, SINCE THIS IS A VERY VIEWED MEETING, IT WILL BE AVAILABLE IN OUR PACKET. BUT IT'S IT REALLY, TO ME, ENCAPSULATES SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM MY CONSTITUENTS. SO IT SAYS, DEAR MAYOR LE GRAND CITY COMMISSIONERS, MR. WASHINGTON AND MR. DAVIS, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY OF GRAND RAPIDS PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE WILL HEAR PRESENTATIONS FROM BLACK SAFETY REPRESENTATIVES AND THE GRAND RAPIDS POLICE DEPARTMENT ON TUESDAY, AUGUST 25TH. ABOUT THE AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READERS. DESPITE AGGRESSIVE MARKETING, EXPANDING DEPLOYMENTS AND. 
          INSTEAD OF SUCCESS STORIES, ALPR SYSTEMS POSE SERIOUS RISKS TO OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE COMMUNITY'S DISTRUST OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. NOT USING LPR IS THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE IN PROTECTING DRIVERS SAFETY. EXCUSE ME, DRIVERS PRIVACY. SHORT OF THAT, HOWEVER, ALPR MUST BE STRICTLY MONITORED AND REGULATED. THE CITY FIRST STARTED USING ALPR AS EARLY AS 2012, BUT 14 YEARS LATER, LPR AND OTHER SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGIES HAVE RAPIDLY GROWN AND QUICKLY OUTPACED THE REGULATIONS AND SAFEGUARDS THAT GOVERN THEM. IF THEY IF THERE WERE ANY TO BEGIN WITH. THIS MEANS THAT THE POTENTIAL FOR PRIVACY 
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VIOLATIONS OR WORSE, IS SIGNIFICANT. IN MICHIGAN, MORE THAN 125 COMMUNITIES USE ALPR. 
          HOWEVER, THERE ARE NO STATE WIDE GUIDELINES ON THE USE OF THIS TECHNOLOGY. WE THEREFORE RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY CANCEL ITS CONTRACT FOR ALPR, OR AT THE VERY LEAST, BEFORE RENEWING OR ENTERING INTO A NEW CONTRACT. WE URGE THE CITY TO FIRST ONE ENGAGE IN EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY DIALOG. TWO UNDERTAKE A ROBUST RESEARCH AND VETTING PROCESS. THREE ESTABLISH PUBLICLY ACCOUNTABLE AND TRANSPARENT AUDITING AND REPORTING REQUIREMENTS, AND FOUR ENACT AND ENFORCE STRICT DATA STORAGE AND SHARING RESTRICTIONS. SO THAT'S A GOOD POINT THAT I THINK THOSE TWO INTRODUCTION PARAGRAPHS REALLY ENCAPSULATE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE HEARD IN COMMUNITY. WANTED TO INFORMALLY READ THAT INTO RECORD JUST FOR FOLKS WATCHING, AS THIS IS GOING TO BE WIDELY VIEWED TODAY. AND I THINK THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD SPELLING OUT BY THE WEST MICHIGAN REGIONAL OFFICE. I KNOW ONE OF THEIR REPRESENTATIVES IS HERE WITH US TODAY AT THIS MEETING. IT IS A CONCERN THAT HAS CONTINUED TO BE BROUGHT TO ME BY MY CONSTITUENTS. IN ADDITION, I THINK WE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT TODAY. WE TALKED ABOUT A MURAL FOR GUN VIOLENCE IN OUR CITY OR A FEW ART INSTALLMENTS THAT WILL BE COMING DOWN THE LINE FOR GUN VIOLENCE. AND I THINK WE'VE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION SO FAR ABOUT THE SHARED TRAUMAS THAT OUR COMMUNITY HOLDS. AND I THINK THE CURRENT SORT OF TERROR THAT WE ARE SEEING FROM ICE AND THESE CONCERNS REALLY MAKE SENSE TO ME. IT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT THEIR CONTRACTS ARE NOT THERE, BUT I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT I TRULY DO HEAR THE CONCERNS OF THE FOLKS WITHIN THE THIRD WARD LOUD AND CLEAR WITH THIS, AND I AM VERY THANKFUL THAT GRPD, THE CITY CITY STAFF, OUR CITY MANAGER, REALLY TOOK THE TIME TODAY TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, AND I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF A FEW OF THE MEASURES THAT ACLU UPLIFTED. I THINK WE HAVE A SURVEILLANCE POLICY ENSURING WHAT WE CAN DO AS COMMISSIONERS IS MAKING SURE THE LEGISLATION IS THERE, WHICH WOULD BE THAT POLICY, THEIR SURVEILLANCE POLICY. SO MAKING SURE IT'S IN LINE WITH THAT, JUST REALLY HOPING THAT THE CITY MANAGER AS WELL, THAT WE CAN REITERATE WHAT THE AGENCY OF THE ELECTED BODY IS IN TERMS OF USING THIS TECHNOLOGY AS WELL. SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE PRESENTATION, AND THANK YOU TO THE ACLU FOR ENCAPSULATING SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM CONSTITUENTS. AND I APPRECIATE THAT, COMMISSIONER. WE MET CHIEF TRIGGER AND I MET WITH THE ACLU A FEW WEEKS AGO, HAD A VERY GOOD DIALOG REFERENCE. ICE REFERENCED POLICE TACTICS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND MIRIAM AND LIZ HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY GOOD TO WORK WITH. SO WE APPRECIATE THEIR CONCERNS AND WE WANT TO HEAR THOSE CONCERNS. AND I DID READ THAT LETTER AS WELL. AND I THINK THREE AT LEAST THREE OF THE FOUR CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED BY OUR POLICY, BY OUR LAW, BY OUR FOREIGN NATIONAL POLICY, BY OUR SURVEILLANCE POLICY. SO I THINK ALL OF THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE. I THINK THE FORWARD EDUCATION OF THIS WHOLE THING THAT WE'RE DOING TODAY, AND BEING TRANSPARENT ABOUT OUR POLICIES AND HOW WE UTILIZE IT, I THINK I'M HOPING WILL ANSWER A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS INSTEAD OF JUST EVERYBODY GETTING THEIR INFORMATION FROM REDDIT. AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS JUST GET FACTS OUT THERE, AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE. AND I'M ALWAYS OPEN TO MEETING WITH THE ACLU. 
          THEY'RE GREAT TO WORK WITH, AND WE HAVE THAT DIALOG. WE UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER AND WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS. AND THIS IS WHY WE'RE GETTING OUT IN FRONT OF THIS NOW. SO THIS DOESN'T JUST KEEP SITTING OUT THERE. WHEN YOU START IGNORING THIS, IT'S MORE CONCERNS. SO WE'RE ALWAYS WILLING TO BE TRANSPARENT AND OPEN TO TALK TO THEM AND ANYBODY ELSE. SO, SO I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING US THE PRESENTATION. DEPUTY CHIEF MAKAROV, AND I WILL JUST POINT OUT, JUST SO THE COMMUNITY KNOWS, I HAD A DIRECT CONVERSATION WITH OUR POLICE CHIEF ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE AND THE QUESTION OF TRANSPARENCY OUT TO THE COMMUNITY OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND HE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN MORE COMMITTED. AND ISN'T I THAN HE HE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN MORE COMMITTED TO TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY. THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S AN ABSOLUTE PRIORITY OF HIS THAT HE'S EXPRESSED A NUMBER OF TIMES. AND I AND I'M REALLY, REALLY GLAD THAT THAT WE HAVE HIS LEADERSHIP THERE AND HIS COMMITMENT TO THAT. I THINK THAT THERE ARE THERE ARE SORT OF NESTING CIRCLES HERE. 
          AND I THINK THAT SOME OF THEM ARE THINGS THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN ADDRESS DIRECTLY. AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION ABOUT THE. I WILL JUST POINT OUT THAT THE EXAMPLE I USED IS, I MEAN, ANY TECHNOLOGY CAN BE MISUSED. AND 
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YOU MADE THAT POINT. ANY PERSON CAN COMMIT MISBEHAVIORS. RIGHT? I MEAN, THE FACT THAT I GOT ELECTED MAYOR DOESN'T GUARANTEE I'M NEVER GOING TO BREAK THE LAW, AND IT DOESN'T GUARANTEE THAT I'M ALWAYS GOING TO ACT PERFECTLY. SO. AND CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, OUR PHONES CAN GET HACKED, OUR BANK ACCOUNTS CAN GET HACKED. OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR MY AMAZON ACCOUNT CAN GET HACKED. I MEAN, WE ALL LIVE WITH THE INCREASING PERILS OF TECHNOLOGY ALL THE TIME. BUT I DO THINK THERE'S THE QUESTION. THERE'S ONE QUESTION. AND THAT'S THE QUESTION OF POTENTIAL MISUSE. AND I'M GLAD YOU POINTED OUT THAT THOSE THAT WE THERE'S A PROTOCOL FOR REPORTING MISUSE TO GRPD. I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT WE HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WHEN IF THE COMMUNITY BELIEVES THERE'S MISUSE, HOW THEY ARE ABLE TO REPORT THAT OUT. SO AND I WANT TO FLAG FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. I SAY THIS A LOT ABOUT GR IS VERY, VERY CLEAR. 
          NON COLLABORATION WITH ICE POLICIES AND ARE VERY, VERY CLEAR POLICIES THAT WE DON'T WE DON'T ASK PEOPLE ABOUT THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS. WE DON'T ENFORCE FEDERAL CIVIL IMMIGRATION WARRANTS. IF ONE OF OUR OFFICERS WERE TO VIOLATE OUR POLICIES ON THAT, THERE'S A PROCEDURE FOR REPORTING THAT. AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT IF PEOPLE SEE ANY PERSON WHO'S WORKING FOR GOVERNMENT MISBEHAVING, NOT NOT NOT OBEYING THE PARAMETERS OF THEIR, OF THEIR JOB AND THEIR WORK, THAT THEY SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND THAT THEY REPORT SO WE CAN INVESTIGATE. AND. THAT'S A LONG WAY OF SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE PROTOCOLS FOR ADDRESS OUR POTENTIAL MISUSE BY AN OFFICER. BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT, AND I'M GLAD THAT THE FLOCK FOLKS POINTED OUT THAT THEY'RE NOT SELLING THEIR DATA AND SAID THAT EXPLICITLY. THAT'S AN OBVIOUS POSSIBILITY FOR ANY DATA IF YOU'RE COLLECTING IT. 
          LIKE, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHAT AMAZON'S DOING WITH MY DATA. YOU KNOW, WHEN I GET, WHEN I GO HOME AND I GET, I'VE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AIR FILTERS AND I GET AN AD ON MY COMPUTER AT HOME FOR AIR FILTERS. I'M LIKE, WELL, DID MY PHONE HEAR ME? AND DID IT REPORT TO AMAZON? I WANTED AN AIR FILTER. I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY LIVING IN A, IN A SOCIETY WHERE WE'VE GOT MORE AND MORE MONITORING GOING ON. I MEAN, THE FACT IS, MY ALEXA SPEAKER IS LISTENING TO ME ALL DAY LONG OR I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO RESPOND WHEN I SAID, HEY, ALEXA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S DOING WITH THE REST OF THE DATA. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIVING IN A, IN A, IN A, IN AN INCREDIBLY QUICKLY CHANGING ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE HAVE TO BE ON TOP OF THIS. AND I THINK THE POINT ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE SAFEGUARDS AND RAILS IN PLACES IS A CONVERSATION WE OUGHT TO HAVE. AND I AND I KNOW GRPD WELCOMES THAT CONVERSATION. 
          MISS MISUSE. YOU LOSE TRUST, RIGHT? YOU LOSE TRUST WHEN YOU WHEN YOU MISUSE ANY TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY WHICH YOU JUST SAID CAN BE MISUSED 100%. YEAH. AND WE'VE HAD ISSUES WHERE OUR AUDIT COURT, HEY, WHAT IS THIS OFFICER DOING? AND ONE OF THEM WAS AN IMMIGRATION SEARCH THAT THE OFFICER ACCIDENTALLY HIT THE WRONG SEARCH. SO WHAT WE DID WITH THE AUDIT, BECAUSE WE HAD THE CASE NUMBER, WE WERE ABLE TO GO BACK IN AND CHECK WHAT THAT WAS AND WHAT THAT WAS, WAS SECURITY AT MAJOR THROUGH THEIR SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS, WAS ABLE TO TAKE A PHOTO AND A PICTURE OF A PLATE OF A VEHICLE IN WHICH THEY THOUGHT A HUMAN ARM WAS IN THE BACK. THE OFFICER HAD ENTERED IT, ENTERED IT WRONG. HE WAS CORRECTED BECAUSE SOMETIMES THERE IS HUMAN ERROR OUT THERE. WE WENT AND DID AN INVESTIGATION WITH THAT OFFICER AND WE INTERVIEWED HIM AND WE TRIED TO FIND WAS THERE ANY NEXUS TO IMMIGRATION REFERENCES IN HER? ABSOLUTELY WAS NOT. IT WAS A HUMAN ERROR. AND FLOCK, AS YOU'VE SEEN, ARE UPDATING THEIR SECURITY PROTOCOLS AND TIGHTENING THIS UP. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THEM ENABLED FOR CRIMINAL IMMIGRATION VIOLATIONS, WHICH ARE WARRANTS THAT IF WE COME ACROSS BY LAW, WE HAVE TO ARREST, BUT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT ENABLED EITHER. SO I THINK PART OF THIS IS A IS OUR POLICY, KEEPING UP WITH THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE LAWS. AND IT IS WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO UPDATE AND CHANGE OUR POLICY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRANSPARENT AND WE CAN BUILD TRUST. SO SO IF I CAN ASK YOU A COUPLE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, DEPUTY CHIEF, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS NOW, FOLLOW UP WOULD BE GREAT. YOU REFERENCED ONE POTENTIAL MISUSE OF FLOCK BY ONE OF OUR OFFICERS. 
          THAT WAS HUMAN ERROR. HOW MANY COMPLAINTS HAVE YOU HAD OF MISUSE OF FLOCK TECHNOLOGY TO YOUR AGENCY IN THE LAST TWO YEARS? ZERO. AND HERE'S WHY I CAN TELL YOU THIS. WE'VE HAD NO INVESTIGATIONS FOR THE MISUSE OF FLOCK, BECAUSE IT'S VERY EASY TO AUDIT AND CHECK IF A PERSON BELIEVES THAT WE'VE MISUSED FLOCK, I WOULD WELCOME THEM IN A HEARTBEAT TO FILE A COMPLAINT THROUGH US OR OPA, OR A NUMBER OF MULTIPLE OTHER WAYS THAT YOU CAN FILE COMPLAINT ON 
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THE POLICE FOR MISUSE. AND WE WOULD BE VERY WE HAVE TO TAKE THOSE SERIOUS BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT A CRIMINAL OFFENSE. THIS ISN'T JUST A VIOLATION OF POLICY WHERE AN OFFICER IS GOING TO GET COACHED. THIS IS A POTENTIAL CRIMINAL VIOLATION. THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF DATABASES THAT THE POLICE HAVE ACCESS TO BESIDES JUST FLOCK. AND WE ARE GOVERNED BY FEDERAL LAW AND STATE LAW. REFERENCE THOSE DATABASES. WE HAVE TO UNDERGO CERTIFICATION YEARLY JUST TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THOSE DATABASES. SO YEAH. AND IT'S ALL AUDITED AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S THE PROTECTION THAT WE HAVE. AND THAT'S THE TRANSPARENCY THAT WE HAVE. 
          BECAUSE IF IT DOES OCCUR, WE'RE GOING TO INVESTIGATE IT. AND BY LAW WE HAVE TO REPORT IT TO THE PROSECUTOR. NOW LET ME ASK YOU ONE OTHER QUESTION, AND WE CAN GET INTO MORE STUFF LATER, BECAUSE I THINK, FRANKLY, THIS IS A FIRST CONVERSATION. THIS IS EDUCATIONAL. WE ARE NOT MAKING POLICY IN THIS BODY, AND WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT MAKING POLICY TODAY. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE THAT WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE THIS, THE, THE STATE OF THE OF THE SITUATION. LET ME ASK YOU THE QUESTION THAT THE FLOCK AGENTS BROUGHT UP. THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS AGENCIES HAVE CONTROL OVER IF THEY SHARE IT AND WHO THEY SHARE IT WITH. CAN YOU GO INTO GRPD POLICY THERE A LITTLE BIT? YEAH. SO. DETECTIVE HOST SIR, THERE ARE I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO POINT OUT TO. WE CAN RESTRICT IT HOWEVER WE WANT, BUT I ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT TO THAT FIRST HOMICIDE CASE WHERE WE CAUGHT THE PERSON IN ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO. THE REASON WE WERE ABLE TO CATCH THAT MURDERER WAS BECAUSE NEW MEXICO HAS ALLOWED US TO SEARCH FOR THAT PLATE IN THEIR STATE. SO, I MEAN, WE CAN PUT RESTRICTIONS ON THINGS. BUT YOU ALSO GOT TO REALIZE THAT FOR THESE TYPES OF CASES, CRIME ISN'T GEOGRAPHIC. IT GOES EVERYWHERE. I MEAN, IT CROSSES OUR BORDER EVERY DAY IN THIS CITY. SO WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY AND USING THIS BRIEFLY ON SHARING. YEAH. SO THIS IS ADAM HALL. HE'S A DETECTIVE SERGEANT. HE'S ALSO ONE OF OUR AUDITORS. SO WE SERVE WE SHARE WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. AND IN TURN, THEY ACTUALLY SHARE WITH US THEIR INFORMATION AS WELL. WHETHER THAT BE SO, IF A PLATE RUNS BY OUR FLOCK CAMERAS, THEY'RE ABLE TO SEARCH OUR CAMERAS AND LOCATE THAT VEHICLE AS WELL. THERE IS SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE TO LIMIT IF THERE'S ANYTHING FOR IMMIGRATION OR REPRODUCTIVE. SO THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEARCH OUR INFORMATION FOR THAT TYPE OF SEARCH AS WELL. OKAY. NOW, I NOTICED IN THE MUSKEGON CASE IT LOOKED LIKE IN YOUR NARRATIVE ON THAT, THAT YOU WEREN'T SHARING DATA WITH MUSKEGON. YOU SIMPLY MUSKEGON FLAGGED AN ISSUE AND THEN WE USED FLOCK LOCALLY. IS THAT ACCURATE? WE USED OUR FLOCK SYSTEM. OUR OFFICERS USE THAT SYSTEM. SO IN THAT INSTANCE YOU DIDN'T SHARE THE INFORMATION WITH MUSKEGON. THEY SAID, WE THINK SOMEONE'S COMING TO YOU AND YOU USED FLOCK. CORRECT. MUSKEGON HAD NOTIFIED US THAT, HEY, WE HAVE A HOMICIDE SUSPECT. HE'S POSSIBLY IN THE GRAND RAPIDS AREA ALL PRETTY MUCH ALL OUR OFFICERS WORKING THAT NIGHT HAD USED OUR CAMERAS AND LOCATED THAT VEHICLE. OKAY, THANKS. I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE FLOCK FOLKS. AND WITH EVERYONE'S INDULGENCE, IT'D BE IF I DON'T. IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING MY QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE CAN. I'LL HAVE YOU GUYS ROTATE UP RATHER THAN ROTATE. 
          WHO'S ASKING QUESTIONS? COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS. THE ONE IS WE GOT THE DATA SECURITY QUESTION AND YOU PUT UP STATS ABOUT PERCENTAGE OF CRIMES CLEARED USING YOUR SYSTEMS. HOW MANY HOW MANY DATA BREACHES NATIONWIDE ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT YOU'VE HAD IN THE LAST YEAR? YEAH. I DON'T HAVE A I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC NUMBER ON THAT. WHAT I WILL SAY IS WHAT WE KNOW, AND THIS IS REFLECTED IN ALL THE EVIDENCE AND AUDITS IS OUR, OUR CUSTOMERS DATA. OUR SERVERS HAVE NEVER BEEN BREACHED. THERE ARE EXAMPLES OUT THERE FOR SURE OF SOMEONE TAKING APART ONE OF OUR CAMERAS. THERE ARE ISOLATED EXAMPLES. FOR EXAMPLE, IN A TOWN OUTSIDE OF ATLANTA WHERE LIVE CAMERAS. SO NOT WHAT YOU HAVE, BUT LIVE CAMERAS WERE LIVE STREAMED ON A TEMPORARY BASIS FOR A MATTER OF HOURS BECAUSE THE INSTALLER FROM THE CELLULAR COMPANY PUT THAT ON AN OPEN NETWORK INSTEAD OF A CLOSED NETWORK. THAT ISSUE WAS REMEDIED LOCALLY AND SYSTEM WIDE. SO I MAYOR, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT ANSWER ON SPECIFICALLY HOW MANY. BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ANY TIME THERE IS A VULNERABILITY, IT'S. 
          THOSE ISSUES ARE STILL ON OUR WEBSITE. WE POST THEM. WE ALERT OUR CUSTOMERS AND FIX THEM. BUT IMPORTANTLY, OUR CUSTOMER DATA, SERVERS, ETC. HAVE NEVER BEEN BREACHED. OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER STACEY, I THINK YOU HAD QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. YEAH. I THINK THIS IS A I CAN'T EVEN FIND THE RIGHT WORD. IT'S NOT NUANCED. IT'S NOT COMPLEX, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS CERTAINLY OF IMPORTANCE TO ALL OF US, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED AT OUR LAST MEETING, 
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BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED LAST FALL. I REFERENCED THAT WHERE CITY MANAGER, OUR CITY ATTORNEY AT THE TIME, HITCHCOCK, AND OUR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, WHO'S NOW OUR CITY ATTORNEY, WE KEPT CONTINUALLY HEARING ONLINE PEOPLE REACHING OUT TO US MEDIA OUTLETS. WHY IS THIS HAPPENING WITH THIS FLOCK DATA? I DO THINK THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE, AGAIN, WHERE WE DID NOT HAVE IT UNDER THE SURVEILLANCE POLICY, BUT WE DID RESPOND TO IT. DEPUTY CHIEF MAKAROFF, YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW THAT WENT INTO THE DISCIPLINARY SYSTEM. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DISCIPLINARY SYSTEM. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VENDOR. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR MANUAL POLICIES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, AS WELL AS JUST LIKE DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY HAS EVOLVED. SO I THINK WE GOT A NUMBER OF THE QUESTIONS FROM FROM YOU ALL FLOCK, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT. WE'RE YOU'RE A VENDOR, BUT I WANTED TO GO BACK AND ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE YOU ANSWERED IT AND I'M SORRY I FORGET YOUR RANK HOST. NO, NOT WHO IS WHO DID YOU. SERGEANT HOST. SORRY. YEP. I WANT TO MAKE SURE. SERGEANT. HOST YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S RECIPROCITY, RIGHT? SO YOU OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIPS. I THINK IN THAT INSTANCE IT WAS KALAMAZOO. BUT IS THERE SOMEWHERE WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN GO AND SEE WHO HAS ACCESS TO OUR FLOCK SYSTEM? AND THEN I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT ICE, BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES THAT HAVE ACCESS. SO IS THERE SOMEWHERE WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE THAT RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE SAID WE WEREN'T GOING TO MAKE ANYTHING, ANY DECISIONS HERE. WE'RE USING TECHNOLOGY AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT WE DO HERE IN THE CITY OF GRAND RAPIDS, WE USE RFID TECHNOLOGY ON OUR WASTE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT. SO THERE IS TECHNOLOGY THAT IS BEING USED, NOT JUST IN THE GRPD, BUT IN. I SEE MR. GORNY BACK THERE NOT TO BRING YOU INTO THE CONVERSATION, SIR, BUT IN, IN IN OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT AND A VARIETY OF OTHER AREAS. SO I THINK FOR FOR ME, THE CONVERSATION IS A BIT. WHAT MISS BOURQUE SAID IS, YOU KNOW, THIS MIGHT BE WHAT THE NORTH STAR IS HERE IS ALSO. AND I COULD BE PARSING HER WORDS. BUT HERE'S ALSO THE REALITY OF WHAT WE THINK ABOUT THE SITUATION, WHICH IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE GUARDRAILS IN A VARIETY OF THINGS. SO I ALSO THINK PART OF THAT IS THE TRANSPARENCY. SO IS THERE IS IT HARD TO SAY WHO ALL LIKE, LIKE LOCAL AGENCIES OR IS THERE SOMEWHERE WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE WHO, WHAT OTHER AGENCIES HAVE ACCESS TO OUR SYSTEM? SO FLOCK, THAT'S PROBABLY BEEN WHAT, THREE, FOUR MONTHS? I'M NOT SURE. BUT RECENTLY THERE'S A TRANSPARENCY PORTAL THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. AND WITH THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL, IT HAS NOT BEEN PUT OUT YET, BUT THERE ALSO IS A SECTION WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY SHOW THAT WILL BE OUT TO THE PUBLIC. OKAY, WE'RE SHARING WITH WHO'S SHARING WITH US, AND THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE THERE ON THAT TRANSPARENCY PORTAL. OKAY. WE'RE STILL WORKING ON FINALIZING THAT AND SPEAKING WITH OTHER NEIGHBORING ORGANIZATIONS ABOUT THAT AS WELL. OKAY. BEFORE WE FINALIZE THAT AND PUT IT OUT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH. OKAY. YEAH. WITH MR. GREEN ABOUT THIS. OKAY. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A FORWARD FACING PROFILE PROBABLY ON OUR CITY WEBSITE THAT WOULD GO TO ALL OF THESE POLICIES AS WELL THAT WE ARE TALKING, INCLUDING OUR POLICY AT THE SURE. WHICH I THINK TO ME, RIGHT. WHICH ANSWERED A LOT OF MY THING IS JUST LIKE, CAN I FIND IT? YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I CAN'T FIND IT. RIGHT. AND SO A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I RECEIVED, THE, THE POLICY, THE MANUAL GRPD MANUAL POLICIES, TALKS ABOUT HOW LONG DO WE STORE IT? OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S SOME OF THE VENDOR PIECES, THE WHAT, WHAT DO WE HAVE OPTIONS IN TO OPT OUT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, A REMINDER THIS WAS AN CLARIFY. SO THIS WAS. THANK YOU FOR REMINDING US OF ALL THE DIFFERENT DATES OF WHEN WE DID THIS INFORMATION. SO EVERY GRPD VEHICLE HAS, THEY HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY IN THE VEHICLE, BUT IT'S NOT FLOCK TECHNOLOGY, IS THAT CORRECT? THEY HAVE LICENSE PLATE READER TECHNOLOGY. YES, THERE IS LPR TECHNOLOGY IN OUR IN-CAR VIDEO CAMERAS. YEP. SO I THINK THAT'S ALSO IMPORTANT. I MEAN THAT MAY OR MAY NOT CHANGE PEOPLE'S MINDS. BUT I THINK SOMETIMES WE'RE HAVING THIS VERY GENERAL CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT FLOCK IS AND WHAT FLOCK ISN'T. SO THAT THAT TECHNOLOGY HAS EXISTED IN OUR VEHICLES SINCE WHEN? DEPUTY CHIEF ABOUT 14 YEARS. SO THAT WAS OKAY. WE'VE HAD THAT. OKAY. AND THEN HOW MANY OF THESE FLOCK CAMERAS DO WE HAVE? BECAUSE THAT WAS THROUGH THE 2014 DECISION. AND HOW MANY OF THOSE ACTUALLY EXIST AND HOW MANY ARE UTILIZED ON A DAILY BASIS OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IS, ARE THEY ALL USED AT ALL TIMES? OR COULD YOU SHARE THAT? 3131 SO IN 24 WE PROCURED 2030. IN 24 WE PROCURED 31 I BETWEEN. 24 AND NOW, YES, WE HAVE TOTAL. 31 THAT I CAN UNLESS CAPTAIN BYLES WAS. 31 YES. 31 OKAY. YEP. SO I JUST I THINK AGAIN, QUITE 
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HONESTLY, WHEN WE'RE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS, I GET A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT SPECIFIC TECHNOLOGY LOOKS LIKE. CAN YOU DESCRIBE OR COULD YOU SHARE WHERE ACROSS THE CITY THEY'RE CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, PLACED? OR HOW DO WE MAKE THOSE DECISIONS? OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE OTHER STRATEGY PIECES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. SO COULD YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THAT DEPLOYMENT IS DETERMINED? YEAH, THEY'RE ALL IN PUBLIC AREAS. 
          AND THERE ARE MANY WEBSITES THAT WILL SHOW YOU WHERE THEY'RE EXACTLY ARE. I DON'T HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW FOR SURE, BUT IN THAT PORTAL, PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY, PRESUMABLY THIS TRANSPARENCY PORTAL. PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHERE OUR INFORMATION BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, SOMEBODY COULD GO TO MAYBE A SELF-GENERATED WEBSITE OR I STAY OFF OF REDDIT, SIR, BUT, BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY WHERE WE PHYSICALLY HAVE THESE BECAUSE THEY'RE MOVABLE. THEY'RE NOT LIKE A FIXED, OH, THEY'RE FIXED. YEAH. OKAY. THEY ARE ALL FIXED. SO I THINK PART OF IT IS WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE AHEAD OF THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO START LOOKING INTO GETTING THAT IN PLACE AGAIN AS THIS TECHNOLOGY MOVES FORWARD. THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE IMPLEMENT AND WE'RE LOOKING AT IMPLEMENTING THAT RIGHT NOW SO WE CAN GET BACK WITH YOU. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. AND THEN I THINK AGAIN, WE'RE WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THIS IS A VERY LARGE ISSUE AND BRIEFING, BUT I WANT TO POINT US COLLEAGUES AND CITY MANAGER, YOU CAME IN 2018, I THINK IN 2017 AND 2018, AND YOU'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, DEPUTY CHIEF. BUT THERE WAS A GROUP OF US, ACLU, NAACP. I WAS ON PUBLIC SAFETY AS A CITIZEN MEMBER AT THE TIME, AND WE WORK PARTICULARLY ON THE ISSUES OF DRONES, AERIAL, WHATEVER THE ACRONYM IS. I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD REFLECTION OF HOW, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY WAS SAYING CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING. HOW DO PEOPLE WANT TO SEE THIS PLAY OUT AND WHAT ARE THE REALITIES OF I'M NOT GOING TO BE AN EXPERT IN FLOCK, JUST I'M NOT, BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO JUST READ ABOUT IT. I'M NOT GOING TO BE EXPERT. I'M PROBABLY GONNA HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS AFTER THIS. AND SO I'D LOVE FOR OUR CITY MANAGER, AGAIN, WITHOUT MAKING DECISIONS, HOW COULD WE LOOK AT THAT PROCESS OF BRINGING IN A VARIETY OF PARTNERS TO SAY, BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE, WE THIS CONTRACT IS CURRENT RIGHT NOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YEAR OF THE CONTRACT WE'RE IN. WE'RE IN THE FIRST YEAR, I THINK OF A AT THE END OF 27, IF I'M CORRECT. IS THAT ACCURATE? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT PHONE, A FRIEND AGAIN, I THINK SOME OF THESE ARE THE TRANSPARENCY PIECES. LIKE THERE ARE JUST SO MANY, SO MANY INDIVIDUALS THERE. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DETERMINED WITH OUR WITH OUR BUDGET, WITHIN OUR BUDGETING PROCESS. 
          YEAH, WE BUDGETED FOR IT AND ALSO WENT THROUGH A PROCUREMENT PROCESS. ABSOLUTELY. SO I JUST WANT TO THERE'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED WHERE THAT WASN'T HAPPENING AND IN A PUBLIC SETTING, BUT AND I DO WANT TO, TO, TO YOUR POINT, REMIND THIS BODY COMMISSIONER COMMUNITY. 
          WHEN WE STARTED WITH POLICE REFORM UNDER CHIEF PAYNE, RIGHT AFTER 2020 AND IMPLEMENTING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT STRATEGIC PLAN, I THINK DEPUTY CHIEF POINTED OUT VERY EARLY IT WAS INTENTIONAL. THEN ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO DO WAS GET BETTER AT THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY. 
          AND SO IT WAS WE IT WAS INTENTIONAL. WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE IMPLICATIONS OR THE INTRICACIES, BUT IT WAS THE DEPARTMENT WAS VERY TRANSPARENT IN BRINGING WHAT POLICING TOOLS AND METHODS THEY WOULD LIKE TO USE. YEAH. THANK YOU. I GUESS I'LL JUST END WITH THIS. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE AGAIN, I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO RIGHT NOW AND WHAT MAY WE DO IN THE FUTURE, TO YOUR POINT, AND THAT'S WHY I BRING UP THAT PROACTIVE NATURE OF LOOKING AT TECHNOLOGY, GETTING THE FEEDBACK. WE HAD SOME GREAT PRESENTATIONS TODAY ABOUT COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DEPARTMENT IS ACTIVELY ENGAGED WITH OF LIKE NOT ONLY RESPONDING TO CRIME, BUT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE ALL THESE, WHAT ARE ALL THE REASONS THAT THESE THINGS HAPPEN? RIGHT? AND TODAY WE TALKED SPECIFICALLY, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, AND THIS IS PROBABLY CITY ATTORNEY OFFICE AGAIN, WHEN WE ENGAGE WITH A VENDOR. AND YOU SAID THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY FAILURES, WHAT IF WHAT IF THERE IS A FAILURE? WHO IS THAT? AND THEN WE HAVE WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, RIGHT? SOMETHING HAPPENS, A TECHNOLOGY FAILS. WHAT DOES THAT SAY IN THE CONTRACT ABOUT WHO HAS THAT ONUS? LIKE WHERE DOES THAT RESPONSIBILITY LIE? I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN THE CONTRACT. THANKS. YEAH. AND TO THAT WE CAN WE CAN REVIEW THE CONTRACT WITH YOU LATER. SO. MR. YEAH. SO I THINK THAT WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT LIKE THE DATA PRIVACY CONCERNS IN GENERAL AND THE WAY THAT FLOCK IS TRYING TO BRING IN SPECIFIC MODIFICATIONS TO THEIR SYSTEMS TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, ENSURE SOME SAFEGUARDS. BUT SO I PROFESSIONALLY AM A SOFTWARE DEVELOPER. THAT'S WHAT I DO IN MY DAY JOB. AND I'M LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WERE ADDED ON THE INTERFACE. AND I'M JUST THINKING TO MYSELF ABOUT LIKE, 
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OKAY, WHEN IT COMES TO THE DATA THAT FLOCK IS ACTUALLY STORING, LIKE WHAT, WHAT ARE THE ACTUAL USES THAT COULD COME FROM HOW THIS IS BEING MONITORED, HOW THE ALERTING IS BEING PROVIDED. 
          SO KIND OF A STREAM OF CONSCIOUSNESS FOR THE FLOCK REPRESENTATIVES. SO I'LL LET YOU ANSWER AT ONCE. I GIVE MY CONCERNS HERE, BUT I THINK THE THINGS THAT I'M STILL NOT CONVINCED ABOUT HERE ARE THAT WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU CAN FILTER OUT SPECIFIC INVESTIGATIVE PURPOSES SUCH AS IMMIGRATION OR REPRODUCTIVE CARE SEARCHES, I DON'T FEEL CONVINCED THAT SAY, OKAY, A POLICE OFFICER CAN RUN A SEARCH WITH THOSE PURPOSES IN MIND, BUT THEY CAN MISLEAD ABOUT WHAT THEY PROVIDE INTO THAT QUERY. AND I COULD JUST ENTIRELY SEE THAT HAPPENING, SAY, PROVIDING A CASE NUMBER THAT MIGHT BE EXTREMELY BROAD IN ITS SCOPE FOR SOME PURPOSE, THAT MIGHT BE HARD TO ASCERTAIN. AND SO I THINK ULTIMATELY, WHEN IT COMES TO THE UBIQUITY OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES, LIKE ALPR, HAVING ALL THIS SOFTWARE THAT'S BUILT ON TOP WITH THESE LAYERS, LIKE THE MONITORING, THE DIGITAL FINGERPRINTING FOR THE VEHICLES, I THINK THAT THERE'S SO MUCH BIG DATA THAT'S COMING OUT OF THIS. ALSO, THE WAY THAT THERE IS KIND OF THIS LEVEL OF ASSOCIATION THAT CAN BE GLEANED FROM THESE SYSTEMS AS WELL, THAT KIND OF INTRUDES INTO PEOPLE'S RIGHTS FOR, SAY, FREE ASSOCIATION JUST INVOLVING THEMSELVES IN THEIR PERSONAL LIVES WITH WHOEVER THEY WANT TO. I SAW ALSO THERE WAS A WIRED ARTICLE LAST WEEK ABOUT HOW YOU HAVE A SYSTEM CALLED OS INVESTIGATE, WHICH USED TO BE CALLED NIGHT SHIFT, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE ROLLING OUT TO SOME DEPARTMENTS, AND IT INCLUDED 69 PREWRITTEN PROMPTS THAT OFFICERS COULD USE TO SELECT OR REVIEW OR SUBMIT TO AN AI SYSTEM, WHICH WOULD RUN THOSE QUERIES, AND OFFICERS COULD MODIFY THOSE QUERIES THAT THEY AS THEY WOULD WANT. BUT HAVING THE ABILITY TO, TO RUN THOSE QUERIES IN A WAY THAT RELATES TO PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE FAST FOLLOWING OTHER VEHICLES IN A VICINITY. I THINK THAT BEING ABLE TO HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION, THIS IS LIKE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS IN WHICH BIG DATA AND AGENT BASED AI, IN MY VIEW, IS AN INTRUDING INTO THE WAY THAT THE INSTITUTIONS THAT WE HAVE ARE BUILT ARE BEING ABLE TO, SAY, REGULATE EVERYTHING THAT PUBLIC AGENCIES ARE ABLE TO DO. AND SO, I MEAN, ULTIMATELY, THIS THIS IS A BIG FOURTH AMENDMENT CONCERN TO ME. 
          I THINK THAT WITH ALL THIS TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE, I PREFER THAT WE RELY ON HUMAN JUDGMENT AND THE USE OF JUDGES, MAGISTRATES TO BE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT, OKAY, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL INFORMATION THAT WE CAN BE PROVIDING? AND ARE THESE LEGITIMATE LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES? I DON'T WANT AI. I DON'T WANT THESE AI SYSTEMS OR LIKE MINIMALLY GUARDRAIL SYSTEMS TO BE MAKING THESE ASSERTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S IN SCOPE OR WHAT'S NOT. SO THAT'S MY STREAM OF CONSCIOUSNESS. AS SOMEONE WHO'S VERY SOFTWARE MINDED. SO I'LL LET YOU GIVE A RESPONSE. I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I'LL JUST START BY SAYING I AM NOT A CYBERSECURITY EXPERT, SO I'M SURE YOU COULD RUN LAPS AROUND ME ON THAT. BUT WE DO HAVE AN ENTIRE CYBERSECURITY TEAM IN ADDITION TO THIRD PARTY AUDITS AND VALIDATORS THAT ARE OBSESSED WITH THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY. SO THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY ARE THAT TEAM. SO I WOULD SAY A COUPLE THINGS, YOU KNOW, IS ABUSE POSSIBLE? YES. AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU EVER HAD A SOFTWARE OR TECH PROVIDER THAT STOOD HERE AND TOLD YOU THEIR, THEIR SYSTEM WAS PERFECT AND NOTHING COULD EVER GO WRONG, DO NOT HIRE THEM. DO NOT GO INTO CONTRACT WITH THEM. RIGHT? SO WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT GUARDRAILS AND PRECAUTIONS ARE PUT IN PLACE TO, TO DETER IT AND TO IDENTIFY IT. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, AROUND THE QUESTION OF MISUSE, IF AN OFFICER WENT IN THERE AND PUT IN INFORMATION THAT WAS DIFFERENT FROM THE INTENT INTENT OF THE INVESTIGATION, THAT IS MISUSE, IF NOT CRIMINAL. AND SO THAT IS MISUSE, AS IF THEY MISUSED ANY OTHER DATABASE, ANY OTHER SYSTEM THAT THEY HAVE WITH OR WITHOUT OUR TECHNOLOGY. IF AN OFFICER GOES IN AND LIES INTENTIONALLY ABOUT THE REASON THAT THEY'RE ACCESSING A LAW ENFORCEMENT DATABASE, AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE JURISDICTION, THAT IS MISUSE UP TO ILLEGAL. 
          AND SO HAS THAT HAPPENED? YES. I WILL SAY THAT IT IS A IF OUT OF 6000 AGENCIES THAT UTILIZE THE SYSTEM ACROSS THE COUNTRY, IT IS A TINY FRACTION. EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM IS COMPLETELY 
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UNACCEPTABLE. BUT I WOULD JUST CALL OUT THE FACT THAT WE KNOW ABOUT THOSE CASES BECAUSE THAT AUDIT AND AUDIT ASSISTANCE COURT IT. AND I THINK FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT TOOL, HAVING THOSE BUILT IN THAT AUDITING AND THAT ACCOUNTABILITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT. WILL IT CATCH, UNFORTUNATELY, SOME WRONGDOING? YES. AGAIN, THAT'S A TINY FRACTION OF THE OVERALL DAILY USE OF THE SYSTEM, HOWEVER COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE. AND THOSE DEPARTMENTS HAVE DONE EVERYTHING FROM DISCIPLINE TO FIRE TO PROSECUTE THOSE OFFICERS. WHEN THAT'S HAPPENED. 
          AGAIN, VAST MAJORITY OF OFFICERS DO THE RIGHT THING. THEY WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND THEY KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOODS SAFE AND DO THE RIGHT THING. BUT WHEN THAT ISSUE DOES HAPPEN, THE SYSTEM IS BUILT TO IDENTIFY IT. THE DATA IS USED. IT'S OWNED BY YOUR DEPARTMENT STRICTLY IN OUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS. IT'S A CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION AND IT IS USED, AS YOU HEARD EARLIER, PERTAINING TO CRIME AND MISSING PEOPLE. SO AND I'LL JUST PAINT A LITTLE BIT OF PICTURE TOO. IT'S HELPFUL FOR ME. SO MAYBE IT'S HELPFUL FOR OTHER FOLKS TOO. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU USE FACEBOOK, YOU USE GOOGLE, YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR THAT. AND THE REASON IS, IS BECAUSE THEY'RE MONETIZING YOUR DATA. YOU ALL PAY US, YOU PAY US EVERY YEAR TO UTILIZE OUR SYSTEM, TO RENT OUR CAMERAS, TO UTILIZE ALL OF THAT. AND SO IN EXCHANGE FOR BEING PAID, YOU OWN AND CONTROL YOUR DATA. SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT MODEL THERE WHERE A FREE MODEL, YES, THEY'RE MONETIZING YOUR DATA. THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF THINGS WITH IT. 
          WE CHARGE YOU UPFRONT, YOU PAY US. AND BY PAYING INTO THE SYSTEM, BY RENTING THE SYSTEM ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, YOU ARE THEN CONTRACTUALLY THE OWNER AND CONTROLLER OF THAT DATA. SO I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT DIFFERENTIATION FOR ME. IT'S HELPFUL TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT MODELS OUT THERE. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF. SO YOU TALKED ABOUT OS THAT IT'S IN BETA. IT HAS NOT COME OUT YET. OS YEAH THANK YOU. IT'S IN BETA. HASN'T COME OUT YET. WHAT I DO KNOW ABOUT IT THOUGH IS THAT YOU ALL DON'T HAVE IT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO OPT INTO AND BUY IT IS ANOTHER PART OF JUST LIKE DRONES OR LIVE CAMERAS OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, IT DOESN'T JUST GET TURNED ON. YOU DON'T JUST GET IT. IT TAKES A LOT OF ENGINEERING. AND WHAT THAT DOES FROM MY AGAIN, IT'S NOT LIVE YET, BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT AGGREGATES THE EXISTING INFORMATION ON LAW ENFORCEMENT DATABASES AND PUBLICLY AVAILABLE INFORMATION FOR EFFICIENCY. IT'S LIKE A 300 ZERO FOOT VIEW HASN'T GONE LIVE YET. AND AGAIN, I'M SURE AS IT DOES AND AS CUSTOMERS PURCHASE THAT, WE'LL LEARN A LOT MORE ABOUT IT. BUT AGAIN, IT IS IN BETA RIGHT NOW. I'M SORRY. LET ME KNOW WHAT I'M MISSING. OH, IT WAS A REALLY THOUGHTFUL FILTERING FOR THE PURPOSE. OH YEAH. YEAH. ACTUALLY YOU DID KIND OF SPEAK AND THE FILTERING, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO WHEN YOU PUT IN A FILTER. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT A CYBERSECURITY EXPERT, SO FORGIVE ME HERE, BUT WHEN YOU PUT IN A FILTER IN, IT'S NOT JUST IF I PUT IN, IN THE SEARCH AS WELL, ANY OTHER INFORMATION THEY PUT IN. SO LET'S SAY I PUT IN SOMETHING ELSE, BUT IN THE BODY OF THE SEARCH, I PUT IN SOMETHING AROUND IMMIGRATION. IT DETECTS THAT TOO. WELL, IT CERTAINLY HOPE. YEAH. IF THAT WAS MADE IN THE. FOR SURE. AND AGAIN, COULD, COULD AN OFFICER BREAK POLICY, COMMIT A CRIME AND MISUSE A LAW ENFORCEMENT DATABASE? YES, THAT IS POSSIBLE. 
          AGAIN, IMPORTANTLY, THE SYSTEMS ARE BUILT IN PLACE TO TRY TO REALLY IDENTIFY THAT. AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU GUYS ALREADY HAVE SURVEILLANCE POLICIES. ARE THINGS IN MIND. IF THAT DID HAPPEN, THERE WOULD BE A DISCIPLINE PROCESS FOR THAT. AND IF I MAY JUST PIVOT QUICKLY TO, TO A COUPLE OF THE COMMENTS MADE EARLIER, WHAT I WILL SAY IN MY EXPERIENCE, I KNOW AS A COMPANY TOO, WE REALLY APPRECIATE LEGISLATION AT THE STATE LEVEL. IT REALLY HELPS PROVIDE A ROADMAP AND CLARITY FOR COMMUNITIES. SO LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. VIRGINIA HAS A STATE LAW THAT I THINK PEOPLE, AND I'M JUST GOING TO SPEAK OUT OF TURN HERE, BUT AT MY COMPANY AND SOME OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IN VIRGINIA, I THINK WENT TOO FAR. HOWEVER, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT LIMITS DATA RETENTION. IT LIMITS USE, IT LIMITS SHARING, IT LIMITS ALL SORTS OF THINGS, WHICH, BY THE WAY, HAVE CONSEQUENCES. BECAUSE IF YOU KNOW WITH SHARED A LIMITED SHARING, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CAPTURE SOMEONE OR FIND A MISSING PERSON. HOWEVER, WHEN OPERATING IN VIRGINIA, THOSE LOCAL COMMUNITIES KNOW THAT THERE IS A STATE LAW THAT REALLY REGULATES THIS THING. AND SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, IT'S REALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE THOSE LOCAL COMMUNITIES HAVE TO FOLLOW THE VIRGINIA LAW. ALL THE COMPANIES THAT OPERATE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE VIRGINIA LAW. THEY ALL HAVE TO FOLLOW IT, RIGHT? SO FROM A LARGER PERSPECTIVE, WE ENCOURAGE STATE POLICY. OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT IT TO BE POLICY THAT ALLOWS OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS TO USE THE SYSTEM, BUT WE ENCOURAGE IT. WE FIND IT REALLY HELPFUL. SO SOME OTHER FOLKS SPEAK. BUT YEAH, THAT SERVICES A LOT OF THINGS IN GENERAL THAT I'D LOVE TO ASK, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME FOR EVERYBODY TO GET A CHANCE. SO 
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BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT YOU, I TEND TO SEE PEOPLE OVER HERE MORE EASILY. SO PASTOR OLSEN, YOU. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND SINCE YOU MENTIONED THAT VIRGINIA CAPACITY AND THIS WHILE THIS IS MICHIGAN, AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE NO GUIDELINES CURRENTLY WITHIN PERTAINING TO FLOCK CAMERAS IN OUR IN OUR REALM, WHEN WE LOOK AT FLOCK CAMERAS, ARE THEY A PART OF THE THE CITY'S SURVEILLANCE POLICY CURRENTLY. THIS THIS WAS REVIEWED PRIOR BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAD LPR TECHNOLOGY. SO YEAH, THAT DID ABIDE BY THE SURVEILLANCE POLICY WHEN WE GOT THE FLOCK CAMERAS. SO SO THAT WAS GRANDFATHERED IN. YES. OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE STILL NEED TO HAVE SOME MORE COMMUNITY FORUMS AS IT PERTAINS TO EDUCATING AND EMPOWERING OTHERS. SO THERE'S MORE CLARITY IN ALL THESE CAPACITIES. SO YEAH, ONE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS HERE. THE FLOCK CAMERA ISN'T A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATIONS. OUR OFFICERS AND OUR DETECTIVES STILL HAVE TO DO. IF THERE IS AN ERROR OR THE FLOCK CAMERA SEES A PLATE THAT IS OBSCURED, THE OFFICER STILL NEEDS TO VERIFY THAT INFORMATION. FLOCK DOESN'T SAY YES. NOW YOU CAN PULL THIS VEHICLE OVER. BECAUSE OF THIS, THE OFFICER STILL NEED TO ABIDE BY THAT. AND THAT IS IN OUR IN OUR POLICY THAT WE NEED TO VERIFY AND MAKE SURE WE ARE STILL DOING THE BASICALLY THE JOB THAT WE WERE PAID TO DO, DOING THAT PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION WITHIN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. SO IT'S JUST IT'S JUST A TOOL. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, WELL, IT'S IT'S TOO MUCH, IT'S TOO MUCH. WHAT HAPPENS IS, IF THIS SOMETIMES WILL LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF INTRUSION OF THE POLICE INTO PEOPLE'S LIVES, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, BECAUSE IF YOU DO NOT, IT'S FUNNY. WHAT HAPPENS IS IF YOU IDENTIFY THAT SUSPECT VEHICLE AND YOU CAN LIMIT IT TO, OKAY, WE KNOW IT WAS HERE. NOW I'M NOT GOING AND GETTING SUBPOENAS FOR YOUR SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS AT YOUR PRIVATE BUSINESS. I'M NOT GETTING A SEARCH WARRANT FOR THIS SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM. I'M NOT USING ALL THIS OTHER INTRUSION AND CANVASING THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY HAVE TO DO, AND SPENDING HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AS A DETECTIVE DOING THAT WHEN WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BECAUSE IT'S A VEHICLE DRIVING DOWN A PUBLIC ROADWAY. SO, PASTOR OLSON, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S INFORMATION, WE HAVE A VERY COMPREHENSIVE. 
          SURVEILLANCE POLICY. GENERALLY, IT'S ABOUT TEN PAGES LONG. IT'S VERY COMPLEX. WE'RE A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS GAVE INPUT INTO THAT. THAT WAS CRAFTED ON, I BELIEVE, 2015. 
          AND SO I THINK AS WE HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, ONE OF THE QUITE APPROPRIATE QUESTIONS IS IF THAT IF THOSE POLICIES HAVE SOME OBJECTIVES, YOU KNOW, HOW, WHETHER HOW WE HOW THIS TECHNOLOGY FILLS, YOU KNOW, ALIGNS WITH THOSE SORT OF GUARDRAIL OBJECTIVES IS ABSOLUTELY A CONVERSATION THAT'S, THAT'S WORTH HAVING. BUT A GOOD START PLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY, I THINK IS TO GO REVIEW THAT DOCUMENT. IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M A LAWYER, I DO THIS FOR A LIVING. AND IT STILL TOOK ME AN HOUR AND A HALF OF GOOD PATIENT ATTENTION TO REVIEW THAT POLICY. IT'S SO THOSE THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T GONE TO LAW SCHOOL PROBABLY WILL TAKE LONGER. IT'S NOT A SMALL INVESTMENT OF YOUR TIME. BUT IF THIS IS AN ISSUE YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, I WOULD URGE PEOPLE TO GO LOOK AT THE CITY'S OVERRIDING OVERARCHING POLICY. 
          MISS JAMES HAD HER HAND UP. YEAH, SO DID MR. DAVIS, THOUGH. SO I'M GOING TO HOP BACK AND FORTH. SO, MR. DAVIS, THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WANT TO THANK MR. MCCORMICK. MR. LAMPMAN, DEPUTY CHIEF MAYCROFT, AND MR. HOLTZ, THANKS FOR SNEAKING IN THERE AT THE END. I AM A CITIZEN MEMBER OF THIS BOARD, AND I'M HERE BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE THE BEST PUBLIC SAFETY POSSIBLE IN OUR CITY. AND I BELIEVE THAT CHIEF TRIGG AND OUR DEPARTMENT HAS THAT IN MIND, TOO. SO I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT I NEVER COME TO MEETINGS DELAYED BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THE HECK I DO ON PUBLIC SAFETY. BUT TODAY, TRYING TO GET HERE, I HAD A LINE OUTSIDE OF MY DOOR ASKING IF I WAS GOING TO BE IN THE MEETING TODAY. AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNED CITIZENS. 
          I GOT TEXTS, EMAILS, PHONE CALLS, AND PEOPLE STOPPING AT MY DOOR. AND I JUST WANT TO SHARE MAYBE A COUPLE OF THE CONCERNS THAT ARE RISING TO THE TOP AS WE SAW THE PRESENTATION. 
          AND THAT CAME FROM SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS. I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS STILL A TRUST COMPONENT THAT YOU'RE HELPING ADDRESS HERE TODAY, AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE TRANSPARENCY, TRANSPARENCY PORTALS ARE GOING TO MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE WHEN PEOPLE CAN SEE WHERE OUR TECHNOLOGY OR WHERE OUR DATA IS BEING SHARED WITH WHOM AND WHAT WE'RE PARTICULARLY SHARING, IT SOUNDS LIKE THOSE ARE AS EASY AS CLICKS OF BUTTONS. I AM NOT A SOFTWARE DESIGNER OR ENGINEER, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN SOONER THAN LATER. OBVIOUSLY, UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS PART OF OUR SURVEILLANCE WORK AND THE OPA. IF MR. DAVIS IS ABLE TO SPEAK INTO THAT ON A FUTURE MEETING, ON HOW WE'RE ABLE TO OVERSEE THESE THINGS, APPARENTLY WE'VE BEEN USING THIS FOR 14 YEARS. AND SO I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT 
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14 YEARS AGO, WE DIDN'T HAVE FRONT FACING CAMERAS ON PHONES WHEN SELFIES WERE STARTING. SO THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE AGREED TO BACK THEN HAS SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED AND WILL CONTINUE. WITH THAT IN MIND. WE HAVE 31 CAMERAS TODAY, BUT I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS HOW THE POLICY WORKS TO ADD MORE CAMERAS TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED AND WHY. 
          WITH REGARD TO THAT CHANGING TECHNOLOGY, I THINK IT WOULD BRING GREAT PEACE OF MIND TO UNDERSTAND THE TIMING AND TRAINING AS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES FOR OUR OFFICERS, SO THAT WE'RE CONFIDENT AS NEW FEATURES ARE UPLOADED, HOW THOSE ARE BEING USED. I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MR. MCCORMICK. YOU SAID THAT ON JANUARY 1ST OF 2027, CASE NUMBERS WILL NOW BE REQUIRED FOR FLOCK SEARCHES. WAS THAT A LAW THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE? NO, THAT WAS AN INTERNAL POLICY. AND THE DELAY FOR MAKING THAT NOT TOMORROW IS WHAT. SO EACH SO AS A WHOLE, WHAT THE GENERAL CONSENSUS OF THE COMPANY. THEY'LL PUT OUT FEATURES THAT EACH AGENCY THAT WE WORK WITH CAN ELECT INTO. UNLESS IT IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW. SO THAT HAS BEEN THE GENERAL CONSENSUS. WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THE COMPANY IS GETTING MORE DIRECT. I DON'T KNOW IF DIRECT IS THE RIGHT WORD FOR THAT, BUT FORTHRIGHT ON STARTING TO MANDATE SOME OF THESE FEATURES. BUT A LOT OF WHAT THE BASIS OF IT HAS BEEN PROVIDE THE TOOLS. EACH UNIQUE COMMUNITY WILL SEE WHAT'S FIT FOR THEM. AGAIN, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY EXCEPTION IF THERE'S A STATE OR LOCAL LAW THAT REGULATES IT, THAT'S DIFFERENT, BUT IS PUTTING THESE OUT THERE, FOR EXAMPLE, SHARING FILTERS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THOSE ARE ALL OPTIONS THAT YOUR COMMUNITY CAN OPT INTO OR NOT. SO THAT HAS BEEN THE APPROACH FOR A LONG TIME. THERE'S A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD TO BEING FLOCKED TRYING TO PROMOTE FLOCK IN THE CITY. OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT US TO USE YOUR SERVICES. AND SO ONE OF MY CONCERNS THAT HAS COME UP IS THAT YOU HAVE A TOOL THAT IS COMING ONLINE, AND YOU CALLED IT THE AUDIT ASSISTANCE TOOL. THAT IS AN INTERNAL TOOL THAT AUDITS FLOCK BY FLOCK. IT AUDITS CUSTOMER DATA. YEAH. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS EXPLAINED IN DETAIL SO THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT IS RELEVANT AND NOT FLOCK SAYING FLOCK IS GOING GREAT, WHICH I DON'T THINK WAS YOUR INTENTION AT ALL. YEAH. AND I WOULD SAY TOO, IT'S YOUR DATA. SO IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE THAT DATA AND HAVE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE WORLD AUDIT IT, YOU COULD. GREAT. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. MCCORMICK. 
          WHAT PREVENTS FLOCK FROM CONTRACTING WITH DHS? CURRENTLY, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT CONTRACT. 
          WHAT GIVES ANY FLOCK, ANYONE THAT'S GOING TO HIRE FLOCK FOR ITS SERVICES, WHAT CONFIDENCE DO THEY HAVE THAT THOSE CONTRACTS WON'T EXIST IN THE FUTURE? I MEAN, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND INTERNALLY, THAT IS THERE'S NO INTEREST OR ANYTHING TO CONTRACT WITH ICE OR DHS, BUT I DON'T RUN THE COMPANY. SO I CAN'T MAKE, YOU KNOW, C-SUITE LEVEL DECISIONS. BUT FROM EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD AND GATHERED, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO PLAN, INTEREST OR APPETITE TO DO THAT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND I JUST HAVE TWO LAST COMMENTS, AND I HOPE THAT THEY SOUND ROOTED IN RESPECT. SURE. ONE IS FOR DEPUTY CHIEF MACK. EXCUSE ME. MAYCROFT, I DON'T THINK YOU MEANT TO SAY IT THIS WAY, BUT I DON'T THINK WARRANTS ARE INTRUSIVE. I THINK THOSE EXIST FOR A REASON. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO CORRECT THAT. I THINK MY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS IT CAN PREVENT US FROM HAVING TO GO DOWN THAT ROUTE FOR EFFICIENCY PURPOSES. OKAY, GREAT. I APPRECIATE THAT CLARITY. AND THEN LASTLY, I'M NOT A LEGISLATOR. I DON'T MAKE LEGISLATION. NONE OF YOU WOULD VOTE FOR ME ANYWAY. HERE I SIT. I JUST THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THIS AT A CITY COMMISSION LEVEL AND AMEND, CHANGE OR ADD LEGISLATION THAT WE DO HAVE AN EXPERT SECURITY DATA PERSON, AND I KNOW THE REPRESENTATIVE IN EXTERNAL AFFAIRS TODAY SAID HE IS NOT. BUT I THINK THAT IS THE NECESSARY PIECE TO BE AT THE TABLE TO CONSIDER THIS. THANK YOU. AND THERE IS STATE LEGISLATION THAT I'VE SEEN COME ACROSS MY DESK. THEY ARE TRYING TO GET STATE LEGISLATION ON THIS, JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT. 
          AND IF I COULD JUST QUICKLY ON THAT, WE'VE HAD OTHER AGENCIES, COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BROUGHT ON THEIR OWN EITHER INTERNAL IT OR CYBER FOLKS OR EXTERNAL FIRMS HAPPY TO WORK WITH THEM. 
          YEP. THANK YOU, MISS JAMES. THANK YOU FOR THE DETAILS OF THE PRESENTATION, I APPRECIATE IT. I WANTED TO ASK UPCOMING WE HAVE OUR ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORT WITH ALL ALPR AND FLOC TECHNOLOGY BE INCLUDED IN THE ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORT. I'M GOING TO ASK MR. DAVIS TO COME AND EXPLAIN WHAT THE SCOPE OF THE REPORT WILL BE. AND I SAID A L, C, R AND FLOC, BECAUSE WE ONLY GOT FLOC IN 24, BUT A L, C R GOES BACK 14 YEARS. CORRECT. GOOD AFTERNOON. SO OUR SURVEILLANCE POLICY ORIGINALLY WAS DRAFTED IN 2015, AMENDED IN 2019, I BELIEVE. WELL, AT LEAST 
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WE STARTED TO WORK ON IT IN 2019. THAT SURVEILLANCE POLICY HAS A CLAUSE IN IT THAT ESSENTIALLY WE REFER TO AS A GRANDFATHER CLAUSE. WHAT THE CLAUSE SAYS IS THAT TECHNOLOGY THAT WAS PURCHASED OR ACQUIRED BEFORE THAT DATE, I BELIEVE IT'S MARCH 2015, IS THE SPECIFIC DATE THAT'S IN THAT POLICY. IT'S GRANDFATHERED IN AND THEREFORE DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME REPORTING REQUIREMENTS PURSUANT TO THE SURVEILLANCE POLICY AS OTHER TYPES OF TECHNOLOGY. SO, NO, WE WOULD NOT REPORT ON LICENSE PLATE READERS OR ON FLOCK TECHNOLOGY IN THE UPCOMING SURVEILLANCE REPORT. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR ALL A LAC, L R AND FLOCK TECHNOLOGY TO BE UNDER THE ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY SURVEILLANCE POLICY 15-3. YEAH. 
          IT WOULD TAKE A CHANGE OF POLICY AND THEN UNDERSTANDING IF THERE'S AN EXCEPTION FOR THAT OR HOW WE TREAT OTHER SIMILAR TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY. AND SO WE HAVE THAT REQUEST. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT. I NEED TO TALK FURTHER WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT WHAT OPTIONS WE HAVE TO DO THAT. OKAY. SO PRIOR TO THIS, WHEN YOU GUYS STATED GRANDFATHERED IN AND COVERED UNDER THE POLICY, THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. AM I UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY? I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN COVERED, BUT BUT THE EXCEPTION FOR THE THEY WERE THEY. YEAH. IT WAS NOT REQUIRED REPORTING UNDER SURVEILLANCE POLICY. AND THAT'S THAT WAS WHEN THE POLICY WAS FIRST INITIATED OVER 11 YEARS AGO. WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME BEFORE THIS BODY AND REPORT WHENEVER YOU WANT. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED SOME CLARITY. GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS A LONG SLOG. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. BUT, MAYOR, LET ME LET ME LET ME TAKE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, TAKE DC MAYCROFT UP ON THAT LAST COMMENT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 
          NEXT STEP, ACTIONABLE ITEM. AND SO WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I MEAN, THIS IS A FIRST OF ALL, LET ME AGAIN THANK EVERYONE. THIS IS THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE BRIEFING THAT I'VE HAD ON THIS TECHNOLOGY SINCE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. AND THANK YOU FOR DOING SO. PUBLICLY TRANSPARENT. 
          THANK YOU FOR. BUT IF IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE DEPARTMENT'S WILLING TO COMMIT TO THIS KIND OF TRANSPARENCY AND USES, I'M CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY WILLING TO WORK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON OPERATIONALIZING THAT AND MAKING THAT PART OF AN ANNUAL REPORT. AND I THINK THIS BODY IS GREAT FOR THAT OVERSIGHT. IT'S PUBLIC. AND I AND I THINK TO, TO, TO MY EARLIER POINT, CLEARLY THERE ARE TWO POSSIBILITIES. BUT EITHER ONE, I THINK IS GOING TO GET US TO KIND OF THE SAME VERY CLOSE TO THE SAME SPACE, WHICH IS THE SURVEILLANCE POLICY THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIES A NUMBER OF CONCERNS, AND IT HAS QUESTIONS. 
          IT HAS ITEMS IN IT, LIKE IF YOU THINK THE POLICY IS BEING ABUSED, WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT IT? WHO DO YOU COMPLAIN TO? OR IT HAS REPORTING OUT ON THE LEVELS OF ACTIVITY. YOU TOLD US HOW MANY CAMERAS THERE WERE. WELL, YOU KNOW, IF IF WE KNOW HOW MANY CAMERAS THERE ARE, THAT'S A PLACE THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT THING FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THERE ARE THERE, HOW MANY ARE OUT THERE, IT'S EASY TO START SEEING. I MEAN, IF IT IS EASY TO, TO MISINTERPRET WHAT YOU WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, I MEAN, IF YOU KNOW, THERE ARE 31 AND IT'S A KNOWN NUMBER, THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT THAN I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FLOCK CAMERAS ARE AROUND KNOWING THAT THERE ARE KNOWING WHETHER WE'VE HAD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT MISUSE. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW. KNOWING WHETHER WE'VE HAD I MEAN, A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS GOING ON NOW INVOLVES NATIONAL LEVEL INCIDENTS. THE THE QUESTION FOR THIS COMMUNITY IS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS COMMUNITY? AND THEN QUESTIONS OF DO WE SHARE WITH OTHER AGENCIES? DO WE I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO SHARE WITH OTHER AGENCIES AT ALL NECESSARILY. IT'S A IT'S A BUT IT'S A QUESTION OF LIKE, IF WE DO HOW WE DO WHO WE DO TOO, QUESTIONS ABOUT LIKE THE, THE, THE CONTRACT AND WHETHER WE WOULD REVISIT SOME ELEMENTS OF THE CONTRACT. I MEAN, THERE'S LOTS OF POSSIBLE THINGS THAT CAN GO INTO A REVIEW HERE. SO I THINK, YES, THE FIRST THING WE SHOULD DO IS, YES, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A REVIEW OF THAT THAT MIRRORS AS CLOSELY AS WE CAN. I THINK THE REQUIREMENTS, IF THIS WERE NOT GRANDFATHERED, LET ME PUT IT THAT WAY. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS, IF IT WAS GRANDFATHERED TEN YEARS AGO FOR REASONS OF EXPEDIENCY OR WHATEVER, IF THERE AREN'T COMPELLING REASONS TO HAVE THIS UNDER OUR CURRENT SURVEILLANCE SURVEILLANCE POLICY, THEN THE OBVIOUS POSSIBILITY WOULD BE TO SIMPLY FOLD IT UNDER OUR SURVEILLANCE POLICY SO THAT THE COMMUNITY'S GOT REAL REASSURANCES THAT THERE ARE GUARDRAILS AND PROTOCOLS, AND THAT IT'S FOLDED INTO A UNIFIED POLICY AND NOT SIMPLY A ONE OFF, BECAUSE THERE'S THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS WE DO. I MEAN, EVERY TIME AN OFFICER IS WALKING AROUND THE COMMUNITY, THEY'RE DOING SURVEILLANCE IN SOME LEVEL. EVERY TIME I'M WALKING AROUND IN THE COMMUNITY, 
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I'M DOING SURVEILLANCE IN SOME LEVEL. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS THAT GO INTO INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE UNIFIED POLICIES, UNIFIED OBJECTIVES. 
          AND I APPRECIATE, CHIEF, YOUR COMMITMENT TO SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ACCOUNTABLE TO COMMUNITY. 
          LET'S BE AS LET'S BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. OKAY. BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THE NEXT STEPS. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TAKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT UP ON AN ANNUAL DEPARTMENTAL REPORT ON LICENSE PLATE READER AND THE USE OF FLOCK TECHNOLOGY. SO THAT WON'T BE IN NOVEMBER BECAUSE WE WE JUST HAD THAT REPORT TODAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON SOME THINGS WE HEARD TODAY. SEPARATELY, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY, AND I EARLIER SAID WE WOULD REVIEW THOSE REQUESTS AND WE'LL WORK WITH LEGAL COUNSEL. AND THEN UPON REVIEW, I WILL LET THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AND CITY COMMISSION KNOW WHAT THE RESULTS OF THOSE REVIEW IS. THANK YOU. GOOD SUMMARY. SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD, AS WE'VE AS THE CITY MANAGER STATED, WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED SOME INTERNAL TALKS ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, ASSURE THE COMMUNITY THAT THAT WE'RE USING IT PROPERLY. SO I'VE SAID SINCE SINCE DAY ONE, I WELCOME THE OVERSIGHT. I WELCOME THE ACCOUNTABILITY BECAUSE IT MAKES YOU MAKES YOU BETTER IN ANYTHING YOU DO, WHETHER IT'S YOUR PERSONAL LIFE OR YOUR PROFESSIONAL LIFE. I THINK WE HAVE GOOD POLICIES. 
          THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T GET BETTER POLICIES COMMITTED TO THAT. I REMEMBER THE SIMILAR DISCUSSIONS WHEN WE HAD THE DRONES, RIGHT. THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN, AND RIGHTFULLY SO. 
          I LIKE MY PRIVACY AS WELL. I JUST DON'T WANT THE GOVERNMENT, YOU KNOW, COMING IN NO REASON AND WATCHING ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING I DO EITHER. SO I RESPECT THAT. BUT I ALSO, YOU KNOW, 26, ALMOST 26 YEARS IN THE JOB. I WANT THE BEST TOOLS HERE TO HAVE THE SAFEST CITY WE WE CAN HAVE. I WANT IT HARD FOR CRIMINALS TO DO A CRIME IN THE CITY BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD THE CRIES OF, OF, OF FAMILIES AND THINGS THAT HAVE LOST LOVED ONES IN THIS CITY. SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME TOO. BUT LIKE ANYTHING, THERE'S A BALANCE. SO THESE DISCUSSIONS ARE IMPORTANT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT BALANCE IS. SO I THINK THE FEEDBACK IS IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, DRONES ARE VERY USEFUL TOOL. BUT I THINK IN DIRECTOR DAVIS CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ANY POLICY VIOLATIONS WITH OUR DRONE USAGE, BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF CONCERNS. I GET IT, TECHNOLOGY IS SCARY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S NEW, RIGHT? SO I THINK SIMILAR WITH FLOCK, SAME THING. I DON'T THINK WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY VIOLATIONS. WE HAD THE INCIDENT THAT WE'RE WELL AWARE OF THE THE JMR INCIDENT THAT WAS NOT OUR STAFF. RIGHT. AND BUT REGARDLESS, WE PUT SAFE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE, RIGHT TO TO LIMIT THAT WHICH THAT WAS EXPLAINED, YOU KNOW, HERE TODAY, WHICH I THINK IS GOOD. AND LASTLY, I'LL SAY WORKING IN THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS UNIT FOR, FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS AT ONE POINT, AND WE HOLD OUR MEN AND WOMEN ACCOUNTABLE. 
          I KNOW EVERYONE DOESN'T AGREE TO THE TO THE STANDARD OF THAT, BUT I THINK HALF OF OUR COMPLAINTS THIS YEAR HAVE BEEN INTERNAL IN THE PAST YEAR. BUT THAT SAYS WE FIND INCIDENTS THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD NOT KNOW ABOUT, THAT WE FIND THAT OUR MEN AND WOMEN COULD HAVE DONE BETTER AND BRING THAT TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS, AND THAT SPEAKS TO THE INTEGRITY OF OUR MEN AND WOMEN. THEY'RE NOT PERFECT BY ANY MEANS, LIKE I SAID, BUT WE FIND ISSUES. WE ADDRESS THEM BECAUSE WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT AND WE WANT THEM. IF WE DON'T, IF WE IGNORE IT, THEN WE'RE NOT. WE'RE DOING A DISSERVICE TO THEM AS OUR EMPLOYEES. SO NO, THANK YOU, 
          [3. An Overview from the Office of Oversight and Public Accountability Regarding Reports and Studies]
DEPUTY CHIEF MAKAROFF, AND FOR THE PRESENTATION, I APPRECIATE IT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? NO, I THINK THANK YOU. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH, FRANKLY, IS TO THROW OPEN THE DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR BROADER REPORTS AND STUDIES AND THE WORK FROM OPA, BECAUSE THIS IS ONE THING THAT WE'VE GOT TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY SAFETY AND POLICING. BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS, AND I KNOW THE OPA HAS A PRETTY FULL PLATE, BUT I THINK THE CITY MANAGER WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTOOD A TIMELINE OF ALL THE THINGS THAT THAT OPA HAS BEEN LOOKING AT IN THE LAST AND LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO THINGS YOU INTEND TO LOOK AT. SO IF YOU COULD GIVE US A BRIEFING. 
          SURE. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS JUST TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE SCHEDULE OF REPORTS AND STUDIES THAT OPA INTENDS TO PRESENT DURING FY 27, AND I WILL QUICKLY WALK THROUGH THEM. SO WE GAVE A CANINE BENCHMARKING STUDY REPORT. THAT WAS IN JUNE OF 2026. TODAY, COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. THE SAFE TASK FORCE ANNUAL REPORT WAS GIVEN AS WELL AS THE ADJUST GR UPDATE. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE ALSO GIVEN OUR OVERVIEW OF REPORTS AND STUDIES NOW AND SEPTEMBER. WE ANTICIPATE BRINGING FORWARD THE CIVILIAN VIOLENCE INTERVENTION AND PREVENTION PROGRAMING UPDATE. SO THAT WILL COME TO THIS COMMITTEE. IF THE CITY MANAGER SAYS THE SAME, THEN THE CIVILIAN APPEALS BOARD BIANNUAL REPORT WILL BE GIVEN IN OCTOBER OF 2026. THE ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORT IS SCHEDULED TO OCCUR IN NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR, FOLLOWED BY OUR CURE VIOLENCE ANNUAL REPORT AT THE SAME TIME IN DECEMBER, WE'LL HAVE AN UPDATE REGARDING THE CAB REIMAGINATION PROCESS. I'LL PAUSE THERE TO SAY THAT, 
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AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE CITY MANAGER RELEASED A MEMORANDUM THAT INDICATED THAT WE WILL BE WORKING ON CAVALRY IMAGINATION, AND THAT INCLUDES CONVERSATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS WITH MULTIPLE STAKEHOLDER GROUPS, INCLUDING THE POLICE, COMMUNITY, CAB MEMBERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO THAT WILL COME IN DECEMBER. WE ANTICIPATE RELEASING OUR TRAFFIC STOP STUDY IN JANUARY OF 2027. AND THEN A SECOND REPORT REGARDING THE CAVALRY IMAGINATION, BECAUSE THAT DECEMBER REPORT, I EXPECT JUST TO BE AN UPDATE. SO A SECOND REPORT BY MARCH OF 2027, AND THEN WE'LL TURN OUR ATTENTION TO THE FOOT PURSUIT POLICY BENCHMARKING OF MID MAY 2027. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. AND THEN MISS JAMES, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT LAST SLIDE? YES, MR. DAVIS, THAT'S A LOT OF LITTLE BULLET POINTS ON THIS LITTLE SLIDE ON THIS LITTLE SLIDE. BUT NO, THANK YOU. I THINK AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD A HAD A LONG MEETING, BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. AND LOOKING AT THIS, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS CONTINUOUSLY. I KNOW AGAIN, MAYOR, SINCE YOU'VE BEEN MAYOR, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, CRIMINAL, CRIMINAL JUSTICE, YOU KNOW, LAW, JUST POLICING HAS ALWAYS BEEN SOMETHING OF INTEREST. I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO FOCUS ON THIS AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY LEADING THE WAY IN OVERSIGHT. WE HAVE CONTINUED TO HEAR WHAT I DON'T SEE ON HERE AND NOT TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER JOB. I'M NOT YOUR BOSS. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CONTINUED WHEN WE DO THE TRAFFIC STOP STUDY, IS IT POSSIBLE TO TALK CITY MANAGER WE'VE KIND OF TALKED AS WE'VE REVIEWED THINGS LIKE THE SANCTUARY POLICIES, AND WE'VE REALLY TALKED ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE, WHICH I BELIEVE WE HAD TO BE A LITTLE AHEAD BECAUSE OF SOME THINGS THAT WERE VIOLATED. WE DID HAVE AN EMPLOYEE WHO WENT OUTSIDE OF POLICY, AND SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE REVIEWED BACK IN 2018. BUT WHEN WE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STOP STUDY, COULD WE ALSO SORT OF TALK ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE, SAY, SINCE WE'RE NOT ASKING ANYBODY ABOUT THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE SAID, WELL, HOW DO I KNOW FOR SURE? SO IS THERE A WAY TO KIND OF INTEGRATE SOME OF THOSE, THE IMMIGRATION PIECES INTO DISCUSSING THE TRAFFIC STOP STUDY OR, YOU KNOW, CITY MANAGER, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW DO WE TAKE PEOPLE FROM A STOP HAPPENS? WE'RE NOT GOING TO ASK ABOUT IT. BUT IF SOMEBODY DOES HAVE IF WE ARREST SOMEBODY FOR MURDER AND THEY GET BOOKED INTO THE KENT COUNTY JAIL AND THEN THEY GET FINGERPRINTED, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S BEEN IT'S JUST THIS CONSTANT QUESTION ABOUT WILL YOU GUYS COORDINATE WITH IMMIGRATION? AND WE'RE LIKE, WE DON'T. BUT ALSO, IF SOMEBODY COMMITS A CRIME, THEY ENTER INTO A INTERNATIONAL DATABASE. 
          SO I JUST I WANT TO CONTINUE TO KEEP THE THE IMMIGRATION CONVERSATION FRONT AND CENTER. 
          I THINK MY COLLEAGUES AND OTHER PEOPLE UP HERE HAVE CONTINUED TO SAY THAT WHILE ALSO BALANCING ALL THE REPORTS AND STUDIES THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. SO YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A VERY THAT'S A VERY WELL TAKEN POINT, COMMISSIONER. AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE BECAUSE WE INVESTIGATE AND WE AND WE LOOK INTO ALLEGATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, GRPD VIOLATED ANY POLICIES REGARDING COORDINATION WITH ICE. AND I KNOW YOU'VE RUN THOSE DOWN. I KNOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS RUN THOSE DOWN. YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE IT IF WE COULD HAVE SORT OF A SUMMARY OF THE, OF, OF THOSE, THE OUTCOMES OF THOSE INVESTIGATIONS AND CALL IT A SNAP AUDIT, BUT LIKE A, LIKE A, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WE WERE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, WE'VE HAD NO VIOLATIONS OF USING FLOCK THAT WE KNOW OF IN, IN THE TIME OR, OR LICENSE PLATE READERS GENERALLY IN THE LAST 12 YEARS. WELL, IF THERE'S A, IF THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OR BUT I ASKED THE QUESTION, HAS ANYBODY COMPLAINED? AND THE ANSWER WAS NO. SO IF WE COULD EVEN KNOW HOW MANY HOW MANY ALLEGATIONS HAVE BEEN OUT THERE AND WHAT THE OUTCOMES ARE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT I THINK THERE ARE TWO TWO THINGS YOU'RE ASKING WHAT COMMISSIONER SAUCY ASKED IF WHAT I HEARD WAS, COULD WE USE OUR FOREIGN NATIONAL POLICY AS PART OF A LENS WHEN WE DO THE TRAFFIC STOP STUDY TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY VIOLATIONS OF FOREIGN NATIONAL POLICY OR HOW THAT INTERPLAYS WITH IT? I THINK THE ANSWER IS SOMEHOW, YES, WE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE FOREIGN NATIONAL POLICY IN ITS INTERSECTION ON INCIDENTS THAT ARE RELATED TRAFFIC STOPS, BUT THAT POLICY IS MUCH BROADER THAN JUST THE USE OF TRAFFIC STOPS. SO WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. THE SECOND MAYOR AND JUST A QUESTION THAT I THINK COMMISSIONER PERDUE ALSO INQUIRED ABOUT THE INCIDENTS AND NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE REGARDING FOREIGN NATIONAL POLICY AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE WERE ANY VIOLATIONS, AND THAT HAS BEEN PASSED ON TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING INTO THAT. AND THEY CAN DO THAT APART FROM THE TRAFFIC STOP STUDY. FAIR ENOUGH. YEP. IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY, THERE'S ONE PIECE TO COMMISSIONER STACY'S QUESTION THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE COMMITMENT WISE, I'M CLEAR ABOUT, AND THAT IS THE CONNECTION TO VIOLATIONS OF THE FOREIGN NATIONAL POLICY OR THAT 
          [01:50:02]
PIECE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, COMMISSIONER, ABOUT THAT NEXT STEP IS DATA THAT I BELIEVE IS KEPT BY THE COUNTY, WHICH. SO ACCESSING THAT DATA, WE OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE A DATA SHARING AGREEMENT OF HOW IT WORKS FOR CITY DATA, BUT FOR COUNTY DATA, I'M NOT 100% SURE HOW THAT WILL WORK. SO I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT AT THIS POINT. WHAT I CAN SAY IS I CAN LOOK AND SEE, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT EXTENT WE'RE ABLE TO GET INFORMATION REGARDING THAT AND WHAT CONCLUSIONS WE COULD DRAW FROM IT. BUT I AM NOT 100% CERTAIN HOW THAT PART WOULD WORK, BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR IS NEXT STEP DATA. SO AFTER. YEAH, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT, WHAT THE COMMISSIONER WANTED, BUT I THINK LIKE GETTING US INTO REPORTING OUT ON OTHER ENTITIES, LIKE WE'RE NOT REPORTING ON WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S DOING. WE'RE NOT REPORTING ON WHAT THE STATE'S DOING. WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, GOING TO START GETTING REPORTS ON STATE POLICE ACTIVITY. I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OUR FOCUS HAS TO BE ON REPORTING OUT GRPD AND GRPD ACTIVITIES AND WHETHER THERE'S ANY CONCERNS OF WHAT THE RESOLUTIONS OF THOSE HAVE BEEN. YEAH, I THINK AND AGAIN, IT'S BEEN A BEEN A LONG MEETING. BUT I THINK TO THE POINT IS LIKE, WHERE DOES WHAT OUR DATA AND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, AND AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO PASS IT ON, RIGHT? YOU MEAN YOU WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE LIMITATIONS, RIGHT? EXACTLY. LIKE THIS IS WHAT WE CAN SAY ABOUT OURSELVES AND OUR DATA. WE ALSO EXIST IN A COUNTY AND IN A STATE AND YOU KNOW, ETC. LET US MEET INTERNAL. 
          WE'LL WE'LL FOLLOW UP. YEP, YEP. OKAY. SO THANKS. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IT LOOKS LIKE OKAY, GREAT. I THINK THOUGH, THE BEFORE MR. DAVIS LEAVES THE POINT WITH THIS IS THIS IS PRIORITIZATION. THIS IS THE WORK PLAN. AND EVERY WEEK SOMEONE COMES UP WITH, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THIS? AND WHAT ABOUT THAT? AND CAN WE DO THIS? CAN WE DO THAT? AND WHAT I'M SAYING TODAY, THIS IS THE PLAN. IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WE ARE REQUESTED TO DO, WE WILL CERTAINLY EVALUATE WHETHER WE CAN DO IT. BUT WE MAY DEPRIORITIZE ONE OF THOSE OTHER STUDIES, OR THAT MAY LENGTHEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR COMPLETION. SO I JUST WANT TO 
          [4. Presentation from the Grand Rapids Police Department on Monthly Crime Stats]
BE MINDFUL OF CAPACITY AND WORKLOAD. YEP, YEP. THANK YOU. SO NEXT UP, WE HAVE OUR CRIME STATISTICS. AND I'M GOING TO TAKE A MOMENT OF PRIVILEGE HERE. I BROUGHT THIS UP AT AN EARLIER MEETING. BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CRIMES AND CRIME PREVENTION, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I DID WAS AS MAYOR WAS I LOOKED AT I READ OUR CITY CHARTER AS I WAS RUNNING, AND I NOTICED THAT OUR CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, ACTUALLY NOT MR. TRIGG, IS ACTUALLY IT'S NOT CHIEF TRIGG. IT'S ACTUALLY OUR CITY MANAGER. I DID NOT THINK THAT THAT MEANT THAT HIS JOB DESCRIPTION ENCOMPASSED THE FRANKLY HEROIC INTERVENTION. HE. HE MANAGED THIS LAST WEEK. AND JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS, AND JUST SO EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS COMMITTEE KNOWS, OUR CITY MANAGER DID WHAT VERY FEW CIVILIANS DO, AND OUR OFFICERS DO IT A LOT. BUT HE ACTIVELY INTERVENED. A GENTLEMAN WAS TRYING TO COMMIT SUICIDE, AND OUR CITY MANAGER INTERVENED AND PREVENTED THAT AND CALLED FOR THE POLICE WHO CAME. AND AND CHIEF, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT IT, BUT ESSENTIALLY HAPPY ENDING. THE GENTLEMAN DID NOT COMMIT SUICIDE. OUR CITY MANAGER SAID THAT HE WAS CALLING FOR WHAT SOMETIMES COLLOQUIALLY IS CALLED SUICIDE BY COP, THAT HE WAS ASKING TO BE SHOT. AND THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY A YOU KNOW, THIS MAN HAD SOME SERIOUS MENTAL HEALTH CHALLENGES. BUT THAT ALL ASIDE, I JUST WANT TO WANT TO REALLY HIGHLIGHT CITY MANAGER TO SAY THAT WAS AN OUTSIDE OF YOUR JOB DESCRIPTION WOULD BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT. BUT I REALLY, REALLY CAN'T TELL YOU HOW GRATEFUL I AM THAT WE'VE GOT A CITY MANAGER WHO SEES EVERYONE IN THIS CITY AS HIS RESPONSIBILITY. AND YOU, FRANKLY, YOU PUT YOURSELF IN IN THE WAY OF POTENTIAL SERIOUS HARM THERE. AND I KNOW WHEN THOSE THINGS HAPPEN, SOMETIMES THAT'S NOT THE FIRST THING GOING THROUGH YOUR HEAD. IT'S THE THING YOUR WIFE TELLS YOU AFTERWARDS. BUT I REALLY I REALLY APPRECIATE AND CHIEF TRIGG, WHEN YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TO HIGHLIGHT DOMESTIC, THERE WAS A DOMESTIC COMPONENT TO THIS. AND THOSE CAN BE SOME OF THE MOST DANGEROUS SITUATIONS. I MEAN, THE FIRST, THE TRIPLE HOMICIDE WE HAD AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR WAS A DOMESTIC, A LOT OF THE A LOT OF THE, YOU KNOW, CRIME THAT BUBBLES UP UNPREDICTABLY IN OUR COMMUNITY, UNFORTUNATELY, IS, IS DOMESTIC BECAUSE THESE ARE THESE ARE INCIDENTS JUST SORT OF HAPPEN THAT NOBODY'S PLANNING. NOBODY PLANS THEM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY. THEY'RE NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, ROBBING A CAR WHERE THERE'S, WHERE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, HARD TO GET YOUR HANDS AROUND BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME OF THE MOST INTIMATE FORM OF VIOLENCE, BUT THEY CAN ALSO REALLY SPILL OUT AND HAVE EXTERNAL EFFECTS. SO I JUST WANTED TO REALLY THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER, AND HIGHLIGHT THAT. AND I DON'T I DON'T MEAN THAT TO DIMINISH THE WORK OF ANYBODY ELSE IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT THAT I THINK THAT WAS REALLY HEROIC AND IMPRESSIVE. AND FAR TOO OFTEN I THINK PEOPLE PASS BY ON THE OTHER SIDE, THINK THAT 
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VIDEOTAPING SOMETHING IS A SUBSTITUTE FOR ACTION. AND I WANT I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT I THINK WAS PRETTY CLEARLY A REAL SAVING OF SOMEBODY'S LIFE. WELL THANK YOU. AND WE ARE GOING TO. YOU INADVERTENTLY STOLE SOME OF HER SHINE. BUT THAT'S OKAY. WE WILL HAVE THAT AT THE END OF THE SLIDE. WE'LL WE'LL ADDRESS IT. SO NO, IT'S A NOT TO FLY OVER IT, BUT WE'LL ACKNOWLEDGE IT AT THE END HERE. BUT NO, THAT WAS A TREMENDOUS THING THAT CITY MANAGER DID. SO WHICH I'LL I'LL ADDRESS AT THE END HERE. ALL RIGHT. AUTO THEFT NUMBERS STILL TRENDING DOWN. 
          ONCE AGAIN, I THINK IT'S ATTRIBUTED TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS OF HAVING THE STAFF OF THE MEN AND WOMEN OUT THERE FULL OF ENERGY AND READY TO WORK. THAT JUST SHOWS A BREAKDOWN. MONTHLY ROBBERY TOTALS, THE SAME THING, SAME REASON WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, MEN AND WOMEN THAT ARE OUT THERE WORKING. WE HAVE THE STAFF STILL LOOKING TO CONTINUE TO BUILD THAT. AND ALSO, I HOPE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE COOPERATION WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT'S THAT'S BUILDING AND BUILDING TRUST AND KNOWING THAT IT'S MORE THAN JUST A LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT HELPS KEEP THE CITY SAFE. PERSON SHOT, AS YOU CAN SEE THOSE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, WE'D LOVE THOSE NUMBERS TO KEEP COMING DOWN AS, AS YOU ALLUDED TO WITH THE DOMESTIC SITUATION, CRIMES OF PASSION. I THINK THREE OF THESE INCIDENTS INVOLVE WERE MULTIPLE CASUALTIES DUE TO GUN VIOLENCE. SO DEFINITELY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GET THOSE NUMBERS NUMBERS DOWN. 
          BUT IT IS PROMISING WITH THE ACTIVITY THAT OUR MEN AND WOMEN ARE OUT THERE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE PROACTIVITY AND OFFICER PRESENCE IS THE VALUE CAN'T BE STATED ENOUGH. THIS IS JUST A BREAKDOWN WITH THE MAP SHOWING PERSON SHOT WHERE THEY OCCURRED IN THE CITY. HOMICIDES WERE UP TO 11. YOU KNOW, IT'S AND SHOWN HERE, THESE ARE THE THE SUBJECTS THAT LOST THEIR LIFE. 
          AND THEY, AS I'VE ALWAYS SAY, EACH ONE HAS A HAS A STORY. THEY HAVE A HAVE FAMILY THAT LOVE AND CARE ABOUT THEM. SO IN A PERFECT WORLD, WE HAVE THIS NUMBER DOWN TO ZERO. BUT OUR JOB IS PUBLIC SAFETY IS TO TRY TO LIMIT THAT THAT NUMBER AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND DO EVERYTHING, WHETHER THAT'S. WE TALKED ABOUT TECHNOLOGY TODAY, WHATEVER TECHNOLOGY WE CAN UTILIZE OR TRAINING OR WHATEVER TO TRY TO ENGAGEMENT TO GET THIS NUMBER DOWN CLOSER TO ZERO IS BETTER WHERE OUR COMMUNITY IS BETTER FOR IT. CLEARANCE RATE HOMICIDES. WE ARE STILL WELL ABOVE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE CREDIT TO OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN OUR DETECTIVE UNIT ON HOW HARD THEY WORK AND WHAT DIFFERENT INVESTIGATIVE TOOLS THAT THEY DO HAVE. THIS YEAR, TEN OUT OF 11 HOMICIDES HAVE BEEN CLEARED, SO I'M PROUD OF THAT NUMBER AND PROUD OF THE WORK THAT THEY DO. 
          AND HOPEFULLY THAT IS GOING TO BE 11 OUT OF 11 SOON. BUT YOU SEE, WE'VE WE'VE BEEN WELL INTO THE 70S, YOU KNOW, SINCE 2022. AND NATIONAL AVERAGE IS 55% RECORDED OVERDOSES 19 YEAR TO DATE AND 220 ILLEGALLY POSSESSED GUNS RECOVERED THROUGH JULY. WANT TO SHARE MORE OF THE POSITIVE STUFF THAT WE GET? WE LOOK LIKE ONCE AGAIN, WE GET THESE ON A ON A ALMOST A DAILY BASIS. SO I'LL JUST READ IT. THANK YOU. EMAIL THAT WE HAD. IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER THE INCIDENT, I WANT TO THANK EACH AND EVERY MEMBER OF THE GRPD AND HELPING ME ON THE NIGHT OF JULY 25TH AND IN THE EARLY HOURS OF THE 26TH, WHEN YOU CAME TO MY RESCUE AFTER A BREAK IN ROBBERY AND BODILY ASSAULT ON ME IN MY HOME ON EVERETT STREET, YOU CAN'T KNOW THE RELIEF I FELT AT YOUR PRESENCE THERE AND THE CONCERN YOU SHOWED ME, AND CAREFUL ATTENTION YOU TOOK. MY PLIGHT WAS COMMENDABLE, AND I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR BEING THERE FOR ME THAT NIGHT. AND IT SAYS, THROUGH THE ASSISTANCE OF NBOC AND GRPD IS EMBEDDED. 
          PATROL AGENT. THE SUSPECT WAS IDENTIFIED, ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH A FEW WITHIN A FEW DAYS OF THIS INCIDENT. SO THE COLLABORATION BETWEEN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS IS IMPORTANT. WHAT DID MAKE THE SLIDE WAS A RECENT THANK YOU. WE GOT FROM THE MOTHER, I BELIEVE, OF THE SUBJECT. THAT WAS, IF YOU GUYS RECALL THE INCIDENT, HE WAS GETTING READY TO JUMP OFF A BUILDING DOWNTOWN. AND SO JUST A THANK YOU FROM THE MOTHER. THANK YOU FOR THE EFFORTS OUR MEN AND WOMEN DID. AND OBVIOUSLY OUR NEGOTIATION TEAM AND JUST TRYING TO GET THIS SUBJECT DOWN AND, YOU KNOW, GET HIM THE MENTAL HEALTH CARE THAT HE NEEDED. SO. AND ALL RIGHT, HERE'S THE INCIDENT RIGHT HERE. YOU SEE THE PICTURE THERE? YEAH, YEAH. SO THANK YOU TO THE CITY MANAGER, OUR CITY MANAGER, MARK WASHINGTON, ASSISTED GRP WHILE AN INDIVIDUAL HAD A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS. THE SUBJECT WAS A SERIOUS THREAT TO HIMSELF, HIS GIRLFRIEND, OFFICERS AND BYSTANDERS. THE CITY MANAGER INTERVENED UNTIL GRPD OFFICERS WERE ABLE TO DISARM THE INDIVIDUAL, REMOVING A BLOODY PAIR OF METAL SCISSORS FROM HIS HAND. THE SUBJECT WAS TREATED AT THE HOSPITAL FOR HIS INJURY. IT'S NOT A GREAT PICTURE AS FAR AS ON THE WEAPON, ON THE SCISSORS, BUT THOSE ARE SIX INCH AT LEAST METAL SCISSORS. AND THIS IS ABSOLUTELY 
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COMMENDABLE. AND I'M NOT JUST SUCKING UP TO MY BOSS, BUT THIS IS IT IS BECAUSE, AS THE MAYOR SAID, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SITUATION, CRIMES OF PASSION. YOU NEVER KNOW. THEY'RE UNPREDICTABLE AND THE LENGTHS PEOPLE WILL GO. AND FOR OUR CITY MANAGER TO SEE THIS INCIDENT UNFOLDING AND TO INTERVENE WHEN HE DIDN'T HAVE TO IS ABSOLUTELY COMMENDABLE. 
          AND I YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH THE DANGERS ARE THERE, IT'S YEAH, I LIKE TO SAY EVIL PREVAILS WHEN GOOD MEN AND WOMEN DO NOTHING. RIGHT. SO THE FACT THAT HE STOOD UP, STOOD UP, AND ACTUALLY GRABBED ONTO THE SUBJECT'S ARMS. BLOODY HANDS, AS YOU CAN SEE, GRABBED THE SCISSORS AND HELD HIM THERE UNTIL OUR OFFICERS GOT THERE, WHICH THEY HAD THE LUXURY OF GLOVING UP BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO. SO IT'S JUST LITTLE THINGS YOU LEARN TO DO WHEN YOU'RE YOU'RE DRIVING YOUR CAR, PUTTING ON THE GLOVE. SO, SIR, WE GOT TO GET YOU A PAIR OF GLOVES FOR YOUR CAR. SO SO NO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR, YOUR SERVICE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT EVERYONE DOES THAT. LIKE I SAY, SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE QUICK TO PULL OUT THEIR PHONES AND RECORD IT. AND THEN WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO DIVE INTO THIS SITUATION EITHER. BUT YOU HAVE THE RESPECT OF THE WHOLE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR YOUR ACTIONS THAT YOU TOOK. SO THANK YOU, SIR. YEAH. AND THAT'S ALL I OH, I DO WANT. NO, NO. GO AHEAD SIR. NO, NO, I WAS ABOUT TO CALL THE MEETING. SO IF YOU GOT ONE MORE THING, I JUST GOT A COUPLE THINGS. FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY STANDPOINT. WE ARE DC BAKERS AND OBVIOUSLY CHARGE OF PATROL OPERATIONS. BUT WE ARE ADDING THREE MORE COMMUNITY OFFICERS IN SEPTEMBER HERE, WHICH IS THE IDEA WAS TO GROW THAT PROGRAM BACK UP. SO WE'LL HAVE EIGHT WE'RE ADDING TWO OFFICERS TO THE TRAFFIC UNIT. TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT IS STILL THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN OF THE CITY, WHICH IS GOOD. LAST. WAS IT LAST SATURDAY, MAYBE TWO SATURDAYS AGO? I WAS PARTICIPATING IN THE D.D. TAYLOR'S TAYLOR REENTRY KICKBALL ON SATURDAY, WHICH THAT TEAM LAST YEAR HAD A TEAM OF 6 OR 7. AND THIS YEAR I THINK I HAD 14 OR 15 MEN AND WOMEN, AND THEY WERE KIND OF FIGHTING TO SEE WHO WAS GOING TO PLAY. SO THAT WAS GOOD TO BE OUT THERE AND SUPPORT HER PROGRAM AND BE OUT THERE WITH THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T KNOW IF YES, CHIEF BROWN IS STILL THERE, SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE HE WAS AWARE. WELL, HE'S AWARE, BUT PD VERSUS FIRE DEPARTMENT BASEBALL GAME WAS ON SUNDAY, WHICH WE WE WON THAT GAME. I THINK IT WAS SEVEN FOUR. THAT'S THREE YEARS IN A ROW BUT NO PRESSURE. BUT YEAH IT'S A GOOD EVENT. GOOD GOOD INTER-DEPARTMENT RIVALRY THERE. 
          SO ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS. CITY MANAGER YOU WANT TO. YEAH. FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU CHIEF FOR YOUR YOUR WORK AND THE DEPARTMENT'S WORK AND WHAT YOU DO DAY IN DAY OUT. AND CERTAINLY I WAS NOT EXPECTING ANY RECOGNITION FOR, FOR WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY. AND MY, MY, MY HEART GOES OUT TO THAT COUPLE AND THE PERSON WHO'S CLEARLY HAVING A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS. BUT WHAT IT SHOWED ME WAS IN THE MOMENT WHERE THERE WAS A REAL EMERGENCY, REAL CRISIS, SOMEONE HAD TO CALL 911. SO WHOEVER DID THAT, THANK YOU FOR CALLING 911. AND OTHER PEOPLE CHOSE TO TRY TO MONITOR THE SITUATION BY USING THEIR CELL PHONE, AND OTHERS WANTED TO COME VERY CLOSELY BECAUSE ONCE THE OFFICERS ARRIVED ON THE SCENE AND QUICKLY TOOK CONTROL OF THE SUBJECT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS NOT FAR AFTER IN TRYING TO SUBDUE THE SUBJECT UNTIL THE AMBULANCE ARRIVED, THERE WERE MANY PEOPLE WHO WERE SECOND GUESSING THE MOTIVES OF THE OFFICERS AND QUITE FRANKLY, ME THINKING THAT THERE WAS EXCESSIVE USE OF FORCE THAT WAS BEING APPLIED AND TRIED. I TRIED TO AND OTHERS TRIED TO EXPLAIN THAT WE HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS. WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THE PERSON AND. BUT WE HAVE TO DO MORE EDUCATION AROUND THAT. I KNOW THAT PART OF BEING IN PUBLIC SERVICE IS, IS BEING ACCOUNTABLE AND BEING VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. BUT THAT SITUATION COULD HAVE CERTAINLY TOOK A TURN FOR THE WORSE HAD THOSE PERSONS WHO HAD BEEN THERE INTERFERED WITH WHAT WAS HAPPENING. AND THE MY WIFE AND I TALKED THE NEXT DAY AND WE'RE LIKE, WHAT WERE YOU DOING? AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT WHAT OCCURRED IN THE MOMENT RATHER. BUT I JUST FELT A SENSE TO INTERVENE AND NOT JUST STAND BY, BUT I WANT TO THANK THE OFFICERS FOR RESPONDING VERY QUICKLY, BECAUSE IT WAS A MINUTE OR LESS THAT WE HAD TO WRESTLE WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL, AND THE OFFICERS WERE RIGHT THERE ON THE SCENE. SO I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR THEIR VERY QUICK AND PROFESSIONAL RESPONSE. THANK YOU SIR. OKAY. THANKS,
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.