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GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER EITHER FIVE MINUTES LATE OR 20 MINUTES LATE, DEPENDING ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE. SORRY, BUT WE WENT LONG ON OUR LAST THING, SO I EXPECT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE QUITE A LONG MEETING TODAY. SO WANT TO GET STARTED. AND THIS IS THE LAST TIME THAT CHIEF
[1. Presentation from the Grand Rapids Police Department on Monthly Crime Stats]
LINDSTROM IS GOING TO BE UP PRESENTING US WITH OUR CRIME STATISTICS. I AM CURRENTLY INVESTIGATING THE CASE OF THE STOLEN MOUSE. OH, WE FOUND THE SUSPECT. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE SOLVED MY FINAL. JUST KIDDING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. FEBRUARY 24TH. SO THESE ARE YEAR TO DATE VERSUS OBVIOUSLY THE LAST COUPLE YEARS CRIME STATISTICS. AND AS I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE TO THIS BODY. COMPARISON COMPARING SMALL NUMBERS. AND THESE WILL BE SMALL NUMBERS JANUARY TO JANUARY OR YEAR TO DATE TO YEAR TO DATE, ESPECIALLY DURING THE COLDER MONTHS OF THE YEAR. NOT NECESSARILY SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS, BUT LET'S GO THROUGH THEM. AS YOU CAN SEE, AUTO AUTO THEFTS FOR JANUARY POPPED UP A LITTLE BIT. IT LOOKED AT HIM FOR YEARS PAST AND YOU CAN SEE THIS NUMBERS THIS LOW. IT'S NOT INCONSISTENT FROM FEBRUARY SAY OF LAST YEAR. SO THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A TREND. WE'D LIKE IT TO BE AS CLOSE AS WE'D LIKE IT TO BE ZERO. BUT WE ARE KEEPING AN EYE ON ON THIS. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE TREND IS STILL HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND WE WANT TO KEEP THAT UP THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF 2026. ROBBERY TOTALS PRETTY STAGNANT, AS YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY THE AVERAGE, SO NO STORY TO BE TOLD THERE. STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT STORY, AT LEAST PERSON SHOT. SEE THAT NUMBER WOULD BE WOULD BE A DROP WERE IT NOT FOR WE HAD A TRAGICALLY THREE INDIVIDUALS KILLED IN A DOMESTIC RELATED MURDER. THOSE COUNT FOR OUR THREE FATAL SHOOTINGS THERE. AND YOU CAN SEE OTHERWISE WE WOULD BE AT THREE. SO AGAIN NOT A THAT'S AN OUTLIER OBVIOUSLY A VERY BIG DEAL. AND THERE'S CONVERSATIONS WE CAN HAVE I THINK WE SPOKE AT COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE PERHAPS ABOUT MORE SUPPORT FOR OUR VICTIMS AND CERTAINLY SUPPORT EDUCATION ADVOCACY FOR THE SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.THIS INCIDENT OF THREE INDIVIDUALS KILLED IN OUR CITY HIGHLIGHTS HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS. NOTHING STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT HERE. YOU SEE, IT'S KIND OF SPREAD OUT ACROSS WITH SUCH LOW NUMBERS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE VERY MUCH. AND OF COURSE, JACQUELINE, CAMERON AND MICHAEL, I DO WANT TO PRAISE THE EXCELLENT WORK OF THE DETECTIVES AND EVERYBODY THAT THAT RESPONDED TO THE SCENE, INCLUDING THE FORENSIC TEAM, WHICH HAD HAD TO PROCESS. WE HAD TO CALL IN ADDITIONAL PEOPLE TO PROCESS THAT SCENE FOR WE HAVE A TON OF OFFICERS THAT ARE IN TRAINING AND TO GO IN AND CLEAR THAT HOUSE AND TO SEE TWO KIDS THAT WERE EXECUTED IN, IN THEIR BED. WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH A LOT OF EMOTIONS ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH, WITH THIS CASE. SO GREAT WORK BY THE DETECTIVES, GREAT WORK BY THE VICTIM ADVOCATES SUPPORTING THAT, THAT FAMILY AS WELL. SPEAKING OF THE DETECTIVES, 70 PLUS PERCENT ON EVERYTHING, I THINK THAT 25 I'M CONFIDENT THAT 25 RATE IS GOING TO JUMP UP EVEN A LITTLE FURTHER VERY SOON, BUT CAN'T GIVE DETAILS ON THAT. OBVIOUSLY, THE THREE FROM THIS YEAR HAVE BEEN CLEARED CLOSED BY ARREST AND PROSECUTION. WE DO TALK A LOT ABOUT THE ILLEGALLY POSSESSED GUNS RECOVERED 21 THROUGH JANUARY. THESE THREE WERE RECOVERED LAST NIGHT ON A TRAFFIC STOP. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, TWO OF THEM ARE PISTOLS, WITH THE PLATFORM BEING FIVE, FIVE, SIX. SO THOSE ARE RIFLE ROUNDS IN A PISTOL. YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE PROBABLY 30 ROUND MAGAZINES, FROM WHAT I CAN SEE IN AN EXTENDED MAGAZINE AND A NINE MILLIMETER GLOCK THERE.
THESE WERE POSSESSED BY THREE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS ON A TRAFFIC STOP. WHAT THEIR INTENT WAS, WHY THEY HAD THEM TUCKED IN THEIR COATS, I DO NOT KNOW. BUT THOSE GUNS, TWO OF WHICH WERE REPORTED STOLEN AND ONE OF WHICH CAME BACK, NO RECORD LIKELY JUST HASN'T BEEN REPORTED STOLEN YET. WE'RE ALL RECOVERED LAST NIGHT BY THE PROACTIVE, EXCELLENT POLICE WORK BY OUR OFFICERS. SO. HOW MANY DAYS AGO HAS IT BEEN NOW? SO LAST WEEK WE HAD AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING. IT WAS THE 12TH OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING. SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE. BIG, BIG CREDIT TO THE MICHIGAN STATE POLICE. THEY WHEN THEY ENTERED INTO THE AGREEMENT TO
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INVESTIGATE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS, I DON'T THINK THEY THEY KNEW QUITE THE VOLUME, BUT THEY DO A VERY PROFESSIONAL JOB AND THEY'RE ACTIVELY INVESTIGATING IT. AND SO FOR PROFESSIONAL REASONS, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH I CAN SAY ABOUT IT, BUT DO WANT TO PRAISE THEM. I DID REACH OUT TO MISS JOHNSON TO PASS ON MY CONDOLENCES TO THE LOSS OF HER SON. OF COURSE, I ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE TWO OFFICERS INVOLVED. I'M VERY THANKFUL THAT THEY WERE NOT THAT THEY WERE NOT INJURED AS WELL, AND LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM THE MICHIGAN STATE POLICE WHEN THEIR INVESTIGATION IS CONCLUDED. BUT THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH ON THAT, I CAN SAY. AND WITH THAT, I KNOW WE GOT A BIG AGENDA, BUT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO ASK ME ANYTHING, I'LL I'M HERE. I THINK I SEE AT LEAST ONE HAND. BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, CHIEF, I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT YOU ROLLED OUT, I THINK I THINK THE ACRONYM IS DALE, AND IT'S A BETTER SCREENING FOR IDENTIFYING HIGH RISK DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASES. AND COULD YOU SPEAK TO I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE WORDS OUT OF YOUR MOUTH BECAUSE FRANKLY, HOW YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T REALLY IT WOULDN'T. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT REALLY UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE SOME CASES THAT YOU JUST CAN'T YOU CAN'T PREDICT EVEN WITH EVEN WITH A PREDICTIVE MODEL OR EVEN WITH A. RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY EDUCATION IS SO IMPORTANT. IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO GET DOMESTIC VICTIMS OF INTIMATE PARTNER VIOLENCE, THE EDUCATION TO KNOW THAT THE HELP IS OUT THERE, THAT, YOU KNOW, CALL THE POLICE. WE'RE OFTENTIMES THE CONDUIT FOR IT. BUT IF IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE GET THE CALL IS SOME TRAGIC INCIDENT, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TOO LATE. SO YEAH, IT'S THE. BOY. THE D.A. IT'S DAILY, BUT BUT THE POINT IS FOR THE PUBLIC IS YOU HAVE A SCREENING TOOL. YOU'RE TRYING. YES. SO THE DALE IS THE IS THE DEVICE THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS ON THE STREET USE. THEY RESPOND TO A DOMESTIC INCIDENT, AND THEY LITERALLY HAVE A CHECKLIST OF THINGS SUCH AS, HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CHOKED IN THE PAST? HAVE YOU EVER BEEN THREATENED WITH DEATH IN THE PAST? THINGS LIKE THIS, WHICH SEEM VERY UNCOMMON, BUT THEY'RE EXTREMELY COMMON IN THESE VIOLENT DOMESTIC RELATIONSHIPS. AND HAVING INVESTIGATED MANY HOMICIDES MYSELF, I'LL TELL YOU, A VAST MAJORITY OF HOMICIDE OFFENDERS WHERE THE HOMICIDE IS DOMESTIC RELATED OR NOT, HAVE A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PAST. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT AS A PROFESSION, WE ARE GETTING WE'RE GETTING BETTER AT. AND I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE PARTNERING WITH YWCA AND SAFE HAVEN BECAUSE IN REAL TIME, THE OFFICERS ON SCENE OF THESE DOMESTIC INCIDENTS CAN DO THIS ASSESSMENT. PICK UP THE PHONE, CALL OUR PARTNERS AND SAY, ERIC WENNSTRÖM COULD BENEFIT FROM YOUR SERVICES AND THEY CAN PLACE THEM THAT DAY. AND WE AVERAGE WE'RE AVERAGING ONE A DAY WHERE WE MAKE THIS CALL AND WE GET SERVICES FOR VICTIMS OF INTIMATE PARTNER VIOLENCE, VIOLENCE. IT'S REALLY EVERY POLICE DEPARTMENT IN MICHIGAN AND THE COUNTRY SHOULD HAVE IT. I BELIEVE WE'RE THE FIRST DEFINITELY IN THE REGION TO ROLL THIS OUT. AND IT'S IT'S GREAT TO SAY THAT THAT IT'S WORKING WELL. IT'S ALSO PRETTY SAD TO HEAR THAT ONCE A DAY IN THE CITY OF GRAND RAPIDS, WE ARE MAKING CONNECTIONS WITH OUR OUR PARTNERS IN THIS AND GETTING VICTIMS OF INTIMATE PARTNER VIOLENCE PLACED IN SAFE PLACES FOR FOR THEM TO BE AND THE SERVICES AND THE EDUCATION AND SUPPORT THE ADVOCACY THAT THEY NEED. SO I WANT TO SAY IT'S GETTING BETTER, BUT THIS WAS THIS CERTAINLY INCIDENT WITH JACQUELINE AND HER AND HER SONS WAS VERY DIFFICULT. YEAH. SO THANKS FOR PRIORITIZING THAT.IT'S DANGEROUS ASSESSMENT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT DANGER. THAT'S THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR.
THANK YOU. EVERYBODY WRITE THAT DOWN. COMMITTEE MEMBER. ALL RIGHT. SO I KNOW THAT THE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING LAST WEEK IS TOP OF EVERYONE'S MIND HERE RIGHT NOW. AND I'M GRATEFUL HOW YOU WORK SO QUICKLY. JUST ON THURSDAY TO RELEASE THE FOOTAGE AND INFORMATION FROM THAT INCIDENT. BUT I THINK THAT THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE BEEN LEFT WITH. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VERY SHOCKED BY WHAT THEY SAW FROM THE VARIOUS ANGLES. I'VE WATCHED THE INCIDENT FROM VARIOUS ANGLES, AND I THINK THAT THERE IS STILL A GOOD DEAL OF INFORMATION THAT WE DON'T KNOW. AND SO I SUPPOSE THE FIRST THING I WOULD URGE, WELL, I THINK THAT THERE IS A GREAT PUBLIC INTEREST IN GETTING MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE COMING TO DRAW THEIR OWN CONCLUSIONS FROM ANY SIDE. AND YEAH, THERE'S PEOPLE ARE FILLING IN THE BLANKS FROM LITERALLY THE, THE SHOTS, THE, THE, THE FRAME OF THE VIDEOS. SO I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION I'LL ASK IS WHEN DO YOU INTEND TO RELEASE THE BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE FROM THE SECOND OFFICER WHO IS DIRECTLY AT THE SCENE? WELL, MR. JOHNSON WAS SHOT AND BEING ATTENDED, ATTEMPTED TO BE RESTRAINED. DO YOU WANT TO ASK THE OTHER QUESTIONS? TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER ALL OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME? I HAVE A FEW. OKAY.
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ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE SHOOTING. SO LET'S GO BACK TO APRIL 7TH I'M SORRY APRIL 4TH OF 2022. THAT WAS WHEN PATRICK LEROY WAS KILLED. AND WHEN PATRICK LEE WAS KILLED, THEY HAD SOME VIDEOS IN MY POSSESSION. I WANT I NEEDED TO GET AS MUCH AS I COULD OUT QUICKLY TO TELL AS COMPLETE A STORY AS I COULD, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO TRAMPLE ON WHAT I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE A VERY THOROUGH INVESTIGATION BY MICHIGAN STATE POLICE AND PROSECUTOR. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I DID AT THIS TIME. SO WE DID A QUICK, THOROUGH LOOK AT THE VIDEOS. I THINK THE VIDEOS IN OUR POSSESSION, WE QUICKLY RELEASED, ALTHOUGH THERE'S A TON OF VIDEOS TO GO THROUGH. AND I ANSWERED THIS TO I THINK MATT WITKOS ASKED ME THIS QUESTION AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE. WE RELEASED WHAT I THINK WAS THE CLEAREST. HAVING SAID THAT, I KNOW THAT THE MICHIGAN STATE POLICE IS IN POSSESSION OF A LOT MORE VIDEOS, AND I DID CONTACT THEM THE NEXT DAY, AS I USUALLY DO. HEY, IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN DO TO TO HELP YOU? AND THEY SAID, NO, WE GOT THIS AND IT'S UNDERWAY. AND BECAUSE THIS CERTAINLY YOU MAYBE THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO HEAR THIS, BUT THIS FROM A LEGAL POINT OF VIEW, THIS IS CERTAINLY LESS CONTROVERSIAL THAN THE THAN THE PATRICK LEROY SHOOTING. THERE WAS CLEARLY A GUN RECOVERED ON SCENE. THERE'S NOTHING TO INDICATE THAT THAT THIS IS THAT SORT OF LEVEL INCIDENT. THE STATE POLICE SAID WE WILL GO ABOUT OUR REGULAR SYSTEM AND SO WE WILL TAKE IT FROM HERE. SO THE SHORT ANSWER IS GRPD WILL NOT RELEASE ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL THE PROSECUTOR OFFICE MAKES ITS DETERMINATION. AND THAT'S UP TO THE MSP. BUT I KNOW THAT EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A TON OF OF EVIDENCE OUT THERE, IT'S A IT'S NOT THE BIGGEST SCENE I'VE SEEN IN THE WORLD. THERE'S NOT THAT MANY INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE THAT WERE INVOLVED IN IT, YOU KNOW, TWO OFFICERS AND THEN THE INTERVIEW. SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT WITH THEIR TEAM, THEY HAD A TON OF MSP DETECTIVES OUT THERE. HOPEFULLY THEY CAN WRAP IT UP QUICKLY. SO I KNOW THERE IS INTEREST. BUT SO YEAH, I THINK THE BIG OPEN QUESTION, AT LEAST FOR ME, IS BEING ABLE TO CORROBORATE ON VIDEO WHAT THE OFFICER SAID ABOUT HAVING THE BARREL OF THE GUN POINTED AT HIM. YEAH. AND UNFORTUNATELY, AS I AS I OFTEN SAY, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH I TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE, BUT THOSE BODY WORN CAMERAS, IT'S ONE ANGLE. IT DOESN'T TELL THE STORY. THE SECOND I PUT MY HANDS UP LIKE THAT, YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING.AND I WANT TO INTERJECT HERE. AND CHIEF, I JUST I WANT TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE INVESTIGATION. I KNOW YOU DO, TOO. SO I REALLY DO NOT WANT THIS MEETING TO DEVOLVE INTO A CONVERSATION. OKAY. YEAH. SO I'LL JUST SAY IT'S MSPS. I TALKED TO HIM AND THEY'RE. AND THEY'RE TAKING IT FROM HERE. YEAH I AND I THINK THAT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HEAR IS THAT THERE IS A PROCESS FOR THIS. AND IT CAN BE HARD TO WAIT FOR INFORMATION. BUT IT'S ALSO VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THIS RIGHT, THAT WE NOT DERAIL THE PROCESS. AND SO I'VE SAID THAT SEVERAL TIMES IN PUBLIC, AND THAT MAY NOT BE WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR, BUT AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE YOU DRAWN INTO EVEN INADVERTENTLY. YEAH. AND AND I'LL JUST SAY, I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE BIG ON GOOD COMMUNICATION FROM ALWAYS HAVE BEEN FROM THE FROM THE SHOOTING INVOLVING PATRICK BACK IN THE DAY. ONE THING THAT I SAID AT THAT FIRST PRESS CONFERENCE IS WE HAVE A WE HAVE A STRONG WALLED CURTAIN. ONCE THEY ARE ROCKING AND ROLLING WITH IT, WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT DETAILS. WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT ANYTHING. SO I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY HAVE. I DON'T KNOW. THEY'VE DONE ALL THE INVESTIGATION. AND I SAID ALL, ALL THE INFORMATION THAT I HAD AT THE TIME, AND THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE DROP OFF AND THEY TAKE OVER. THANK YOU. I LOOK FORWARD TO MORE INFORMATION IN THE FUTURE. I THINK IT IS. THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR FOR YOUR REPORT AND ALL OF THE THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED. I THINK IT'S QUITE IRONIC, THOUGH, THAT THE FIRST MONTH INTO THE JOB, WHAT TRANSPIRED THEN AND NOW WHILE YOU GET READY TO LEAVE, YOU KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED. AND I BELIEVE THAT THE COMMUNITY DOES HAVE A RIGHT, IN ALL SINCERITY, TO EXPLORE SINCE 2022, THOSE 12 POLICE INVOLVED SHOOTINGS IN SOME PARTICULAR WAY AS IT PERTAINS TO WHETHER A REPORT CAN BE DEVELOPED THROUGH OPA THAT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT MORE TRANSPARENCY AS IT PERTAINS TO, OBVIOUSLY, THIS CULTURE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY ARE IN BECAUSE WE'RE ALL ACCOUNTABLE IN SOME PARTICULAR WAY. CITIZENS ARE ACCOUNTABLE, POLICE ARE ACCOUNTABLE, WE ALL ARE ACCOUNTABLE. AND ONE LIFE IS TOO, TOO MANY THAT CONTINUE TO BE LOST AND SEEN. OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE HUNDREDS OF GUNS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN OFF THE STREET, BUT YET AND STILL THE CURRENT STATE IN WHICH WE'RE IN AND THE CLIMATE WITHIN THIS COUNTRY AND THIS CULTURE. AND SO WE ARE HOPING, IN ALL SINCERITY THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO FIND OUT MORE AS IT PERTAINS TO WHY THINGS ARE, ARE HAPPENING AND WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON. WE'VE BEEN EXCITED AND GRATEFUL TO BE INVITED TO THE TABLE TO COME TO, TO SEE THE USE OF FORCE TRAINING AND TO PARTICIPATE.
THAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN BENEFICIAL. RIDE ALONGS HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE, BUT ALSO
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SOMETHING WITHIN THE WITHIN THE CULTURE TO HEAR AND TO FIND OUT, TO SPEAK TO THE VERY HEART AND THE ESSENCE OF WHERE WE ARE NEEDS TO NEEDS TO COME THROUGH THE THROUGH OPA, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH A REPORT, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE REPORTING TO US IN SOME PARTICULAR WAY, AT LEAST TO THE BRINGING TO THE FOREFRONT IF IT'S ASKED FOR, TO TALK ABOUT EACH AND EVERY PARTICULAR INCIDENT, IF THAT'S IF I'M NOT CORRECT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.BUT I BELIEVE AS THIS THIS BODY, IT WOULD BE IMPERATIVE THAT WE DO THAT TO ADDRESS THOSE PARTICULAR ISSUES AT THIS TIME. BECAUSE NINE SHOOTINGS, I THINK HAS HAPPENED OF THE 12 WITHIN THE SOUTHEAST CAPACITY SINCE 2022, ONE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE THE NORTHEAST SIDE AND TWO WITHIN THE WEST SIDE. AND THEN I THINK WITHIN THE LAST MONTH AND A HALF HAS BEEN, EXCUSE ME, YEAR AND A HALF HAS BEEN ABOUT FOUR OF THOSE THAT HAVE REALLY CAUSED US TO, TO, TO LEAD TO, TO WHERE WE ARE. WE NEED PROGRESS ON BOTH SIDES. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE HOPEFULLY ARE ABLE TO HEAR SOMETHING AND FIND SOMETHING SO THAT WE CAN FIND A COLLECTIVE WAY TO WORK TOGETHER. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S A REQUEST, IF POSSIBLE, FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS TO TAKE INTO UNDER ADVISEMENT AS WE PROCEED TO THE CURRENT STATE. ANY OTHER.
OKAY. THANK YOU. CHIEF. CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST, LET ME FIRST, THANK THE CHIEF FOR HIS SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY THESE PAST FOUR YEARS. COMING FROM CHICAGO AND REALLY APPRECIATE THE LEADERSHIP IN THE DEPARTMENT. AND HAVING STOOD THROUGH SOME VERY DIFFICULT TIMES FROM AS A PASTOR, GOLDSTON SAID, FROM COMING IN TO EVEN THE LAST WEEK OF OFFICE SO HE COULD HAVE TAKEN 2 OR 3 WEEKS VACATION OFF AND MAILED IT IN THIS WEEK AND LAST WEEK AS WELL. BUT HE CAME IN TO SEE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. SO HE IS THAT'S THE KIND OF PERSON HE IS. HE'S ALWAYS BEEN A PERSON OF HIS WORD, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT HE'S DONE AND WISH HIM THE BEST AS HE TRANSITIONS ON. SECONDLY, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DID NOT TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE INTERIM POLICE CHIEF THAT WILL START NEXT WEEK, I GUESS MORE. THEY'RE WORKING ON SOME EARLIER TRANSITION, BUT BUT OFFICIALLY STARTING ON NEXT WEEK, CHIEF JOE TRIGG AND LOOKING FORWARD TO HIS CONTINUED LEADERSHIP OF THE DEPARTMENT, HAVING BEEN IN THE DEPARTMENT 25 YEARS. AND SO WE MAY NOT HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING NEXT MONTH. I THINK THE CITY COMMISSION HAS ON ITS AGENDA TO DO THE CITY ATTORNEY SEARCH AT THE NEXT. YEAH, IN MARCH. SO WE'LL BE HEARING FROM CHIEF TRIGG IN IN APRIL. BUT I DID WANT TO AT LEAST GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY. MAYOR, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, FOR HIM TO AT LEAST ADDRESS THE BODY. CHIEF TRIGG, SIR. AND OBVIOUSLY, I WANT TO ADD MY THANKS, CHIEF WINSTROM. HE HAD A HE HAD A GOING AWAY PARTY. AND I SAID AT THE TIME, THE IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE A FUNERAL, THE PARTIES FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE STAYING BEHIND.
SO I KNOW YOU'RE LEAVING US WITH A, WITH A UNIFIED DEPARTMENT AND A STRONG DEPARTMENT AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S I THINK IT'S A CREDIT TO YOU THAT THAT IT WAS EASY FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO, TO FIND SOMEONE TO TAP TO STEP FORWARD. SO DEPUTY AND I DON'T KNOW, ALMOST INTERIM CHIEF TRIGG, WELCOME. WELL, THOSE ARE KIND WORDS FOR HIM. I STILL THINK HE'S A QUITTER, BUT NO, I'M HONORED, OBVIOUSLY, BY THE OPPORTUNITY. I LOVE THE CITY, LOVE THIS DEPARTMENT. I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO WORK ALONGSIDE OF HIM FOR FOUR YEARS AS WELL. IT SHOWED TRUE LEADERSHIP, ESPECIALLY DURING TIMES OF ADVERSITY, LIKE WHEN HE WHEN HE STARTED AND AS YOU NOTED, ON HIS WAY OUT AS WELL. SO HE'S BEEN CONSISTENT ON WHO HE IS. I'M GOING TO BE ONE OF THE SAME. I'VE BEEN CONSISTENT FOR MY WHOLE CAREER. AFTER WHAT'S BEST FOR US COLLECTIVELY, IT'S NO CLUE THINGS WORK BETTER TOGETHER. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M WHAT I'M ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE WORKING. WE'RE DOING WHAT'S BEST. I THINK WE DO A GOOD JOB OF HOLDING OUR DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTABLE. BUT I HAVE A LENS FROM FROM INSIDE, SO I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT GOES ON AND WHAT DOESN'T. SO AND I KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF HOLDING THE COMMUNITY ACCOUNTABLE BECAUSE WE ALL WANT SAFER STREETS. I'VE BEEN PART OF MEETINGS AND SAFE TASK FORCE STUFF FOR THREE PLUS YEARS NOW. WE ALL TALK ABOUT WHAT PROGRAMS CAN WE GET TO TRY TO CURTAIL SOME OF THE THE VIOLENCE, THE SUMMER'S COMING.
HOW DO WE KEEP PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ENGAGED IN POSITIVE ACTIVITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT? BUT ALSO WE WANT OUR MEN AND WOMEN OUT THERE TAKING GUNS OFF THE STREET AS WELL AS WE WE TALKED ABOUT THE DOMESTIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THINGS THAT WE CAN PREVENT BEFORE THEY HAPPEN IS
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IMPORTANT. BUT NO, I'M BLESSED. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, CITY MANAGER, AND LOOKING FORWARD TO IT AND LEARN AS I GO. DESPITE OR HOWEVER LONG THIS INTERIM ROLE IS TO KEEP OUR DEPARTMENT ON TRACK, MAKE IT AS SEAMLESS AS POSSIBLE, AND LET THEM KNOW WE'RE WE'VE BEEN A GREAT AGENCY A LONG TIME. CHIEF WINSTROM CAME IN AT A PERFECT TIME WHEN WE NEEDED A LITTLE, LITTLE PICK UP, AND I THINK MOST AGENCIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY NEEDED THAT. WE'RE GOING THROUGH ROUGH TIMES. SO YEAH, NO. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? FEEL FREE. AND MAYOR, I'LL DEFER THE OPA DISCUSSION UNTIL MR. DAVIS COMES UP. YEAH. THANK YOU CHIEF. YOU'RE WELCOME. SO[2. Briefing on Public Safety and Emergency Management for Large/Special Events]
THAT BRINGS US TO OUR SECOND AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND EMERGENCY MANAGER FOR LARGE SPECIAL EVENTS. AND IN PLAIN ENGLISH, I THINK THAT MEANS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THE AMPHITHEATER IN THE SOCCER STADIUM? AND OTHER THINGS? THANK YOU. AND I AM HERE JUST REPRESENTING THE WORK OF A HUGE NUMBER OF FOLKS WITHIN THE CITY.SO I'M GOING TO DO THE OVERVIEW. TO THE EXTENT TIME ALLOWS FOR SOME FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, I WILL DEFINITELY BE PHONING FRIENDS THAT ARE HERE REPRESENTING MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS IN MORE DETAIL. BUT AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE ARE A DESTINATION CITY FOR A LOT OF ACTIVITIES, A LOT OF ACTIVATION. IT'S BEEN PART OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY FOR A LONG TIME TO REALLY FOCUS ON PLACEMAKING AND DISTINGUISHING OURSELVES AS A GREAT ECONOMIC AND ARTS AND CULTURE HUB, NOT ONLY OF WEST MICHIGAN, BUT REALLY TRYING TO TRYING TO CAST A SHADOW THAT'S COMPETITIVE WITH SOME OF THE LARGER MIDWESTERN CITIES AS WELL. AND SO WE ARE NO STRANGER TO MAJOR EVENTS DOWNTOWN, MAJOR PERFORMANCE VENUES THAT DRAW QUITE A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND THOSE THINGS OPERATING SIMULTANEOUSLY. THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE PLANNING ON BRINGING A COUPLE MORE VENUES ONLINE BOTH THIS YEAR WITH THE AMPHITHEATER AND THEN LOOKING AHEAD NEXT YEAR TO THE GRAND RAPIDS SOCCER STADIUM. SO WE DO HAVE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO PLAN FOR THOSE THINGS AND ADD THOSE TO OUR PRACTICES AND PROTOCOLS, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE AS WELL AS WE CAN BE PREPARED FOR HOW THAT MAY CHANGE THE COMPLEXITY OF PROVIDING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT FOLKS EXPECT, AS WELL AS MAKING SURE WE'RE COMMUNICATING WITH ALL OF THE RIGHT PEOPLE AND MANAGING PUBLIC EXPECTATIONS ABOUT WHAT TO EXPECT IF THEY DO COME DOWNTOWN FOR SOME OF THOSE EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES. SO WE HAVE CALLED A TEAM TOGETHER. AND AGAIN, KIND OF THE THE ADDITION OF AMPHITHEATER IS REALLY THE FOCAL POINT FOR WHY WE'RE DOING THIS INTENTIONAL EFFORT RIGHT NOW. ORGANIZED THE WAY I'M OUTLINING HERE. BUT AGAIN, IT IS TO EVALUATE A NUMBER OF POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND COMMUNICATIONS CHANNELS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE AND THAT ARE WELL UTILIZED NOW. BUT THERE'S SOME CORE PLANNING AREAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
ONE IS SCHEDULING. SO WE NEED TO KNOW ACROSS MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS AND ALSO MULTIPLE PARTNERS WHEN ARE THESE EVENT VENUES SCHEDULED AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN EACH OF THOSE VENUES. SO WE CAN RESOURCE OURSELVES ACCORDINGLY. SO AS WE ADD VENUES AND OPERATORS TO THAT LIST, IT BECOMES IMPORTANT TO EVALUATE AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE RIGHT PEOPLE GETTING NOTIFIED WHEN SPECIAL EVENTS ARE BEING PLANNED VERSUS EVENTS AT THE VENUE. OBVIOUSLY, SAFETY IS FOREMOST FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, SO WE WANT TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THESE PLACES SAFELY, AND WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT. THE OPERATORS ALSO NEED TO THINK ABOUT SAFETY OPERATIONS WITHIN THE VENUE. SO THAT KIND OF SEGUES INTO THE SEVERE WEATHER ONE FOR AN OUTDOOR VENUE LIKE THE AMPHITHEATER, THAT'S REALLY A PLACE THAT THAT BECAME KIND OF THE START OF THIS CONVERSATION AND WE SORT OF HAVE GROWN FROM THERE. BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT SEVERE WEATHER WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE AT OUTDOOR PERFORMANCE AREAS, AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE SAFE DURING ANY OF THOSE EVENTS? AND THEN THE PERENNIAL PARKING AND TRAFFIC, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET AROUND? WHERE AM I GOING TO PUT MY CAR WHILE I'M AT THESE VENUES? WHICH CAUSES A LOT OF CONSTERNATION AND ANXIETY. SO AS I AND I WELCOME YOU ALL TO USE THIS, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO PARKING AND TRAFFIC, I TELL PEOPLE IT IS AN URBAN EXPERIENCE. IT IS NOT A SUBURBAN EXPERIENCE. PLEASE PLAN AHEAD AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL OF THE INFORMATION WE ARE DEVELOPING FOR YOU TO DO THAT. SO AGAIN, WITH SCHEDULING, I THINK WE'VE HIT ON THIS, BUT WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE NECESSARY CITY DEPARTMENTS AND RESOURCES ARE MARSHALED AND SCALED UP APPROPRIATELY, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS AT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS AND WHEN WE MAY ANTICIPATE ALSO SPECIAL EVENTS HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME. SO THAT IS A LOT OF WHAT THIS SUBTEAM AND TASK FORCE IS WORKING ON. SO WE'VE GOT
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DEPARTMENTS AND OTHER AGENCIES REPRESENTED AND WORKING THROUGH SOME PROTOCOLS HERE. SAFETY AND SEVERE WEATHER. AGAIN, I TOUCHED ON THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE ARE LOOKING BOTH FOR SAFETY OF PEOPLE COMING TO AND FROM EVENTS, MAKING SURE THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLES CAN STILL GET IN AND AROUND OUR NETWORKS, AND THAT THERE ARE CLEAR PATHS BOTH TO AND FROM VENUES, BUT WITHIN VENUES FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO THE AMPHITHEATER IN PARTICULAR, IT IS PART OF OUR PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE AN EMERGENCY ACTION PLAN. SO THE OPERATOR OF THE AMPHITHEATER IS WORKING THROUGH THAT. WITH THE SUPPORT OF OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OFFICE AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE QUEUE AND CROWD MANAGEMENT. SO LIKE THE VAN ANDEL, WE'RE USED TO THIS. PEOPLE QUEUE UP OUTSIDE OF THE VENUE AND THEN THE DOORS OPEN AT A CERTAIN TIME BEFORE THE PERFORMANCE. WHERE WILL THAT QUEUING HAPPEN FOR THE AMPHITHEATER, AND HOW IS THAT SORT OF CROWD CONTROL MANAGEMENT GOING TO BE STAFFED AND UTILIZED? SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THOSE DETAILS.WHAT KINDS OF THINGS CAN YOU TAKE INTO THE VENUE SO THAT FOLKS AREN'T DISAPPOINTED THAT THEY CAN'T TAKE A COOLER IN OR A SMALL CHAIR, AND WE DON'T END UP WITH ALL OF THOSE GOODS IN THE CITY'S PARK THAT'S RIGHT ADJACENT TO IT. SO WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AND THEN GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT TO EXPECT. SO AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE DISAPPOINTED RIGHT WHEN THEY'RE ABOUT TO GO IN THROUGH THE GATES.
FORTUNATELY, THE CAA LEGENDS GLOBAL HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH THAT THAT IN SOME OF THEIR OTHER VENUES. SO THEY'RE PORTING THAT EXPERIENCE OVER AND WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER ON THOSE THINGS. I DO WANT TO NOTE THE BOTTOM LINE BULLET THERE. WE ARE ALSO WORKING THROUGH THE PROTOCOLS FOR EXTENDED HOURS AT THE AMPHITHEATER, THE CITY COMMISSION, IN THE YEARS RUNNING UP TO THE AMPHITHEATER LOOKED AT OUR NOISE ORDINANCE, AND THEY'RE VERY CLEAR PROTOCOLS IN TERMS OF HOURS OF OPERATION AND DECIBEL. BUT THERE IS AN ABILITY TO EXTEND THE HOURS OF OPERATION SLIGHTLY IN THE EVENT SOMETHING HAPPENED, LIKE A TEMPORARY DISTURBANCE, YOU KNOW, OF WHETHER SOMETHING THAT DELAYED THE PERFORMANCE BY AN HOUR IN ORDER TO TRY TO AVOID CANCELING EVENTS AND AND DISAPPOINTING A BUNCH OF PEOPLE.
CAN WE JUST DELAY THAT? SO WE'RE PUTTING AN SOP TOGETHER ABOUT HOW THAT REQUEST WOULD BE MADE AND APPROVED AND COMMUNICATED. THEN AGAIN, WITH RESPECT TO PARKING AND TRAFFIC, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO COME IN AND OUT OF DOWNTOWN KNOW HOW TO WORK AROUND VAN ANDEL, DEVOS PLACE, HAVING EVENTS HAPPENING. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH EXPERIENCE HERE, WHETHER THEY'RE PATRONS OF THOSE EVENTS OR THEY'RE PEOPLE WHO WORK OR LIVE DOWNTOWN, AND THEY GET TO KNOW WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS AND THEY ACCOMMODATE THAT. SO WE'RE FOLDING THAT SORT OF EXPERIENCE INTO GETTING READY FOR THE AMPHITHEATER AS WELL. THERE WILL BE SOME DIFFERENT LANE CLOSURES THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH, PARTICULARLY IMPACTING 131. SO WE HAVE MICHIGAN DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AT THE TABLE. THEY ARE BEING VERY HELPFUL. ALSO, MICHIGAN STATE PATROL, IN TERMS OF HELPING US MANAGE SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC ON AND OFF THE FREEWAY. AND THEN WE ARE WORKING WITH A NUMBER OF RESOURCES AND EXPERTS AND STAKEHOLDERS TO, AGAIN, GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT WHAT TO EXPECT. IF YOU ARE TRAVELING IN AND AROUND THIS AREA AND YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO GET TO THE AMPHITHEATER, PLAN YOUR TRIP.
WHAT'S THAT GOING TO DO TO IMPACT THE ROADS THAT YOU MIGHT NORMALLY WORK ON, AND TRYING TO FIND A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT. SO AGAIN, WORKING WITH A LOT OF PREEXISTING EXPERIENCE AND JUST AMPLIFYING THAT FOR AMPLIFYING THAT FOR THE AMPHITHEATER, IF I COULD JUST PLAY ON WORDS. THANK YOU. REALLY APPRECIATE MOBILE GR AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT THINKING THROUGH A LOT OF THESE ISSUES IN PARTICULAR AND RESOURCES THAT THEY WILL NEED TO EXECUTE THIS KIND OF CIRCULATION AND TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY CONTROL AND RESOURCES AS WE ADD THESE EVENTS TO THE MIX OF THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY HAPPENING DOWNTOWN, WE ARE DRAWING OFF OF. AND BY WE, I MEAN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OTHERS DRAWING OFF OF EXPERIENCE OF OPENING THE VAN ANDEL ARENA AND HOW THEY STAFFED UP TO MANAGE ALL OF THAT AND KIND OF PLANNING FOR THAT, AND THEN SEEING HOW HOW THE EXPERIENCE OF WHERE REALLY THE TRAFFIC CONTROL NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND WHERE A LOT OF THE PEDESTRIANS ARE GOING, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO CROSS STREETS SAFELY AND WE'LL TAILOR IT FROM THERE, BUT REALLY WANT TO BE PREPARED. AND THEN WE CAN ADJUST OVER THE FIRST PERFORMANCE SEASON BASED ON WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING OUT THERE IN TERMS OF THE ROUTES PEOPLE TRAVEL. WE'RE ALSO WORKING VERY MUCH, AND I DON'T EXPECT THIS TO BE NECESSARILY AVAILABLE ON OPENING DAY, BUT REALLY TRYING TO LEAN INTO THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE PERFORMANCES, INVITE PEOPLE INTO THEIR AREAS FOR, YOU KNOW, A MEAL BEFOREHAND OR SOMETHING BEFOREHAND. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF
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PARKING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE FACILITY, AND POTENTIALLY SOME SHUTTLES OR EXISTING RAPID ROUTES THAT CAN GET PEOPLE THEN INTO THE CORE OF DOWNTOWN. SO WE'RE TAKING A LITTLE BIT OF THE PRESSURE OFF THE ROADS AND PARKING AND ALSO SPREADING THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AROUND A LITTLE BIT. SO MORE TO COME ON THAT. AGAIN, I THINK THE FIRST SEASON WILL BE LEARNING A LOT AND REFINING OUR PRACTICES THERE WITH RESPECT TO MOVING PEOPLE AROUND DOWNTOWN. JUST WANT TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF THIS MAP. SO THIS IS A LOT OF WORK THAT WE HAVE ABOUT THE AVAILABLE PARKING. SO WHETHER IT'S PUBLICLY OWNED PARKING OR PARKING THAT IS PRIVATELY OWNED BUT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, WE HAVE GOTTEN THIS INFORMATION TOGETHER AND AGAIN, ARE TRYING TO AMPLIFY THE AVAILABILITY AND HAVE PEOPLE SPREAD THOSE TRIPS OUT AND SPREAD THAT PARKING OUT, BOTH GEOGRAPHICALLY AND TIMELINE WISE, SO THAT WE CAN TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF THE PRESSURE OFF. JUST A NOTE, WE'VE GOT SOME INFORMATION HERE ABOUT WALK DISTANCE, AND THAT IS MEASURED FROM BASICALLY THE CENTER OF DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS AROUND THE VAN ANDEL ARENA. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT NOTE FOR YOU. BUT AGAIN, WE REALLY WANT PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT PARKING FURTHER AWAY AND WALKING AND EXPERIENCING OTHER PARTS OF DOWNTOWN AS THEY'RE GETTING READY TO GO TO ANY OF THESE PERFORMANCE VENUES. AND THEN AGAIN, TRANSIT SUPPORT. SO AGAIN, THAT HELPS WITH SPREADING THE TRIPS OUT TIMELINE WISE. AND WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENCY IF MORE PEOPLE TAKE ONE VEHICLE TO THE AMPHITHEATER INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY TAKES THEIR OWN VEHICLE. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF ALIGNMENTS THAT ARE SHOWN THERE. ONE IS PROPOSED DASH ROUTE THAT WILL IS A SMALLER ROUTE THAN WE'RE USED TO RIGHT NOW, BUT ALLOWS FOR MORE FREQUENCY, WHICH WE THINK MAY REALLY WELL SERVE WELL, SERVE SOME OF THESE VENUES. AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN TERMS OF ENSURING PEOPLE HAVE A GREAT EXPERIENCE COMING INTO DOWNTOWN. AND IT SHOWS THE CONNECTIVITY TO EXISTING RAPID ROUTES AS WELL, THAT CAN AMPLIFY THE AVAILABILITY OF TRANSIT TO GET PEOPLE TO AND THROUGH. SO WITH THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE OVERVIEW WE HAVE FOR YOU. BUT AS I SAID, LOTS OF DEPARTMENTS HERE THAT CAN HELP ANSWER SOME DETAILED QUESTIONS IF TIME ALLOWS. COMMISSIONER SAUSSY THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MISS BEHRENS, FOR THE PRESENTATION. I WAS GOING BACK TO 2019, I THINK, WHEN THIS WAS WHERE I WAS ON COMMISSION AND SOME OF THE CIVILIANIZATION EFFORTS, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT AT THE CROSSWALKS THERE DOES HAVE TO BE A UNIFORMED OFFICER AND THAT IS A STATE LAW. I'M GOING TO PHONE A FRIEND HERE. WONDERFUL. OKAY. YES. BUT WE HAVE TO SPECIFICALLY DECIDE WHICH INTERSECTIONS THOSE ARE. OBVIOUSLY THE ORIGINAL EP THAT WAS SET FORTH BY LEGENDS GLOBAL HAD A MUCH WIDER BERTH FOR THE INTERSECTIONS THAT THEY WANTED COVERED. EVEN WITH THE INTERSECTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO COVER, IT'S GOING TO TAKE 24 COPS TO DO IT, AT LEAST INITIALLY, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS. THAT IS, THAT'S AN ENTIRE PATROL SHIFT. SO THAT WE'RE DEDICATED TO DOING THAT. BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY DIFFICULT TASK FOR US TO DO THAT 50, 50 TIMES IN SIX MONTHS. YEAH. SO A COUPLE TIMES A WEEK THAT'S GOING TO PUT A REAL STRAIN ON OUR STAFFING TO THE POINT WHERE POTENTIALLY WE'RE GOING TO BE ORDERING IN 20 COPS TO WORK THE AMPHITHEATER TWICE A WEEK. SO WE'RE WORKING LOOKING AT SOME AVENUES TO TO MAKE IT MORE APPEALING FOR OFFICERS TO WORK. BUT BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE A HEAVY TASK. SO STAFFING IS GOING TO BE A BIG ISSUE. IT IS A STATE LAW THAT IT HAS TO BE UNIFORM OFFICERS DIRECTING TRAFFIC WE CAN'T USE. DQ SECURITY, WE CAN'T USE CIVILIANS. IT HAS TO BE A LAW ENFORCEMENT ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. IS THERE A CONCERN DID YOU HAVE A DO YOU ALL DOES THE DEPARTMENT HAVE A CONCERN. BECAUSE I KNOW AGAIN, THIS WAS 2019 AND THEN I WAS ON COMMISSION. IT WAS COVID. SO THIS BECAME LIKE A NON-ISSUE.YOU KNOW, IT WAS WE HAD BIGGER THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT. BUT NOW THIS IS HERE. AND I THINK THIS WAS THE CONCERN THAT I, ESPECIALLY MY PREDECESSOR, HAD HAD ASKED QUITE A BIT ABOUT.
DOES THE DEPARTMENT HAVE CONCERNS IF, SAY, IF THE STATE LAW WAS MAGICALLY CHANGED? DO YOU ALL HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SOME ANOTHER, LIKE A NON-POLICE OFFICER, BUT A TRAINED SECURITY PROFESSIONAL DOING THAT OR JUST WONDERING LIKE, WHAT ARE OUR AVENUES HERE? SO THE THE RISK OF THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMEBODY COULD BE TRAINED TO DIRECT TRAFFIC, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE DOING THAT ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING INSIDE THE VENUE, OKAY.
AND THE OFFICERS ARE THERE TO BE INSIDE THE VENUE IN CASE SOMETHING GOES WRONG. WE DEAL WITH THAT AT THE VAN ANDEL ARENA QUITE OFTEN WITH FIGHTS. SECURITY OFFICER THEY'RE NOT THEY DON'T GET INVOLVED IN THAT. RIGHT. THEY'RE THE BEST WITNESS AND THEY THEY COME TO US. SO
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THE PEOPLE WORKING THE INTERSECTIONS ARE GOING TO BE INSIDE THE VENUE, AND THEY NEED TO BE POLICE OFFICERS. SO NO MATTER WHAT, EVEN IF THAT WAS THAT, THE THE RESPONSE WOULD STILL BE NEED TO NEED TO BE THERE IS WHAT I'M HEARING. YEAH. AND I THINK YOU GET THE SAME THE YOU GET THE SAME ANSWER FROM LEGENDS GLOBAL OKAY. THEY WANT US THERE FOR SECURITY ALSO NOT JUST TRAFFIC CONTROL OKAY. THANK YOU A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INTERAGENCY SUPPORT. AND LOOKING TO OUR PARTNERS AT THE COUNTY AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS AROUND THE AREA WHEN POSSIBLE TO SOMEONE HAS TO PAY THEM. SO I THINK I RECOGNIZE WE HAVE WE PART OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE SHARING THIS IS THE MOST DEMANDING DAYS AND IS WHEN WE HAVE MULTIPLE VENUES ACTIVATED. YES, SIR. SO THE ARENA, THE AMPHITHEATER, 21 ROW CONVENTION IN TOWN, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DAYS ON THE CALENDAR WHERE EVERYTHING IS HAPPENING ALL AT ONCE. I THINK IT'S, WHAT, LIKE 5 OR 6 OF THOSE DAYS, THERE'S AT LEAST EIGHT. AND THAT WAS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. I GOT THAT NUMBER. SO POTENTIALLY GROWING, INCLUDING THE OPENING DAY. YEAH. SO WE HAVE EIGHT DOUBLE BOOKED EVENTS. AND WHEN I SAY DOUBLE BOOKED I'M JUST TALKING TO ARENA AND AMPHITHEATER. IT'S NOT INCORPORATING 20 MONROE OR DEVOS HALL. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO TAKE AT LEAST 24 OFFICERS FOR THE AMPHITHEATER AND ANOTHER EIGHT AT THE AT THE ARENA. SO WE'RE TALKING 30, 32 COPS. WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO OFFER ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALIZED AT THE CONVENTION CENTER, THERE'S AN OFFICER CONTROLLING TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES IN THE CROSSWALK THAT WE INSTALLED. VERY EXPENSIVE CROSSWALK THERE AT THE INTERSECTION THAT ALLOWED US TO REDEPLOY RESOURCES. AND PERHAPS AS WE LEARN, IT'S OPEN, YOU KNOW, WE MAY LEARN MORE. AND THERE MAY BE OTHER WAYS TO HELP TO MITIGATE THE NUMBER OF PERSONNEL NEEDED. AND IF I CAN, AS WE PROGRESS THROUGH THE SUMMER, WE'RE OVERSTAFFING INITIALLY INTENTIONALLY, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO COME FROM, WHETHER IT FOOT TRAFFIC OR VEHICLE TRAFFIC. IT COULD BE COMING FROM ALL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. SO WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO ANTICIPATE THAT AND OVERSTAFF THE INTERSECTIONS.BUT AS THE SUMMER GOES ALONG, WE'LL REALIZE, WELL, WE DON'T NEED TWO OFFICERS THERE. WE NEED ONE AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHRINK IT DOWN. HOW MUCH? I DON'T KNOW. HOPEFULLY WE CAN SHRINK IT DOWN AND NOT INCREASE IT, BUT THAT'S WHAT I ANTICIPATE. THANK YOU, MR. FINE.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS REPORT. REALLY APPRECIATE THE REPORT AND THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO IT ALREADY. I THINK THERE'S A PRETTY WIDESPREAD CONCERN ABOUT PARKING AND HOW FAR AND HOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO UNTANGLE. SO YOUR OFFICERS IN THE STREET HAS BEEN VERY, VERY HELPFUL ON FULTON STREET WHEN THERE'S ARENA ACTIVITIES, ALONG WITH 2020, MONROE. CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT THAT. I DO AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE A HAVE SOME OF THE VINEYARDS GO TOO LATE, AND ESPECIALLY IF WE'VE HAD SOME UNDER THE INFLUENCE SITUATIONS THAT MAY DEVELOP IN THE STREET.
THIRD THING I'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT IS LACK OF DISCIPLINE IN SOME OF THE WHAT I CALL PEDESTRIAN MANEUVERS, YOU KNOW, SCOOTERS, SKATEBOARDS, ETC. PRETTY MUCH GO WHEREVER THEY FEEL LIKE. AND SO SOME OF THAT MAY BE REMINDING PEOPLE IN PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS AS WELL AS CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ENFORCEMENT WHEN IT HAPPENS, I MEAN, IN THE STREET. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE WORK THAT GOES INTO IT. AND I CERTAINLY ADVISE SOME WEEK TO WEEK DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AS YOU LEARN AS YOU GO. YES, CERTAINLY. AND WITH RESPECT TO A COUPLE OF THOSE CONCERNS, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE MICRO MOBILITY PROVIDER. SO THE THE SCOOTERS AND LINE BIKES IN TERMS OF SOMETHING CALLED GEO FENCING. SO WE'LL BE AGAIN MONITORING OUR EXPERIENCE. BUT NOW FOR EXAMPLE, WE'LL IF THERE'S AN EVENT AT THE VAN ANDEL, THERE'LL BE A ZONE WITHIN WHICH YOU'RE REALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE THOSE. AND, AND THAT IS REINFORCED BY THEM BEING ESSENTIALLY INOPERABLE WITHIN THAT GEO FENCE. SO WE'LL BE USING THAT TECHNIQUE TO HELP US A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT. AND, AND FOR PARKING, WE REALLY NEED PEOPLE WHO CAN TO PARK FURTHER AWAY AND WALK. THERE ARE CERTAINLY FOLKS FOR WHOM THAT'S NOT AN ACCESSIBLE POSSIBILITY. AND THERE IS ACCESSIBILITY PROVIDED RIGHT ON SITE. BUT PEOPLE WHO CAN WE REALLY NEED TO PLAN AHEAD AND AND UTILIZE PARKING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY. SO THAT CAME UP HERE. I DIDN'T HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN, BUT THERE IS CURRENTLY CONGESTION ALMOST EVERY DAY ON THE WORKING HOURS ABOUT 4 TO 5:00. AND SO COOPERATION WITH MICHIGAN STATE AND CLEARING INCIDENTS OF IT STALLED VEHICLES OR ACCIDENTS IS REALLY
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IMPORTANT. AND I KNOW IT'S A COORDINATED EFFORT, LIKE WE GET FIRE AND POLICE WORKING TOGETHER NOW, BUT IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE. SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. URBAN EXPERIENCE. YEAH. MAYBE. ONE MORE QUESTION SINCE WE DO WANT TO GET TO THE SURVEILLANCE REPORT. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AS A GUY WHO POORLY GOLFS, I REALLY AM FAMILIAR WITH THE GEO FENCING TOOL AND HOW GOOD IT WORKS, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES MY CART WON'T MOVE UNLESS I'M GOING BACKWARDS. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THAT TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE A BIT. BUT ALSO IN YOUR IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU DID RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE TO DIVERSIFY THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THESE COMMUNITY OPPORTUNITIES. AND SO THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR THINKING NOT ONLY OF THE WAY THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE ATTENDING MIGHT FREQUENT SOME OF THESE ESTABLISHMENTS, BUT BY PARTNERING WITH THE DASH, I THINK WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY THAT'S UNDERUTILIZED. HOPEFULLY, WE'RE LEVERAGING THAT IN A WAY THAT WE GET A NEW POPULACE OF PEOPLE THAT IS WILLING TO TAKE THOSE BUSSES. SO REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. AND THEN LASTLY, IN ADDITION TO THOSE PEOPLE ATTENDING OTHER RESTAURANTS OR VENUES IN ADVANCE, HOPEFULLY THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS, AS THEY WONDER HOW THEY CAN BENEFIT, ARE CONSIDERING THE USE OF THEIR PRIVATE LOTS AND THE ABILITY TO TRANSPORT PEOPLE OVER. AND THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER CAN OF WORMS. BUT I REALLY AM. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS WELL. WE HAVE THE PARKING. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF UNDERSTANDING OUR BEHAVIORS AND CONTINUING TO TALK ABOUT THIS URBAN EXPERIENCE. BUT WELL DONE.THANK YOU. THANKS. THANKS, MISS BURNS. SO, MISS JAMES, YOU. YES, JUST WE TALKED ABOUT THE SCOOTERS AND GEO FENCING I LEARNED ON MY RIDE ALONG THAT ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GET A SCOOTER TO GO TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK. AND THEN NONE OF THAT MATTERS ANYMORE. NO. SO HOW CAN WE FOLLOW UP ON THAT? THANK YOU. OKAY. YEP. OKAY. SO LET'S LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR
[3. Briefing on the FY25 Annual Surveillance Report pursuant to Administrative Policy 15-03]
CIVILIAN PARDON ME, OUR SURVEILLANCE REPORT. AND I ASSUME MR. DAVIS IS HERE TO PRESENT ON THAT. ARE WE GOING TO CANCEL THIS? MOVE THAT TO THE NEXT MEETING. SO WE HAVE THE PACKET. TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. TAKE YOUR TIME. AND. AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, YOU ALL HAVE A PACKET ON THE KNOW YOUR RIGHTS TOPIC. AND WE MAY SIMPLY IN INTEREST OF TIME, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH TIME WE TAKE ON THE SURVEILLANCE CONVERSATION, WE MAY WE MAY WANT TO DEFER OUR KNOW YOUR RIGHTS UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING. MR. DAVIS. ALL RIGHT.GOOD AFTERNOON. I WILL BE PRESENTING ON THE FY 25 SURVEILLANCE REPORT FOR BY WAY OF AGENDA, WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE SCOPE OF REPORTING AS GOVERNED BY ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY. 1503 WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY IS AND WHAT SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY IS. WE'LL GIVE YOU A SUMMARY OF DEPARTMENTAL SURVEILLANCE USE FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. WE HAD ONLY GRF AND GRPD WHO HAD TECHNOLOGY THAT NEEDED TO BE REPORTED ON. WE'LL TALK ABOUT IMPACT ON CIVIL RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES AND THEN WE'LL LOOK FORWARD. SO ACCORDING TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY, SURVEILLANCE INCLUDES EQUIPMENT AND SERVICES. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SURVEILLANCE EQUIPMENT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EQUIPMENT THAT'S OPERATED BY OR AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY. AND, YOU KNOW, THE MOST COMMON EXAMPLE OF THIS THAT WE HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IS DRONES OR UNMANNED AIRCRAFT THAT CAN BE ATTACHED OR USED TO COLLECT DATA. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SURVEILLANCE SERVICES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED BY A THIRD PARTY OR THAT RESULT IN ACQUISITION OF DATA FOR THE CITY IN SOME WAY. AND THAT DATA CAN BE USED FOR THE PURPOSE OF MONITORING, OBSERVING OR ANALYZING INDIVIDUALS OR GROUPS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER SUCH DATA IS OBSCURED OR DE-IDENTIFIED. IF THAT DATA CAN BE TAKEN AS CONTINUED CONSIDERED SURVEILLANCE SERVICES. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NON SURVEILLANCE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND THOSE DISTINCTIONS AS WELL. RIGHT. SO NON SURVEILLANCE IS ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA. SURVEILLANCE. THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR. BUT IN ADDITION THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE CAN DO. SO LIKE CAMERAS THAT ARE USED TO RECORD CITY PROPERTY RIGHT. TO PROTECT CITY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT FALLS OUTSIDE OF OUR DEFINITION OF SURVEILLANCE. AND THEREFORE WE DON'T HAVE TO REPORT ON THAT OR CAMERAS, CAMERAS OR THINGS THAT WE GOT BEFORE MARCH 24TH, 2015. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. YOU'LL HEAR THAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY 1503 RIGHT. IS THIS POLICY'S NUMBER. WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE IT WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED IN 2015. SO THE ORIGINAL VERSION OF THIS POLICY ALREADY HAD SOME THINGS
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GRANDFATHERED INTO IT. SO WHEN WE RENEWED THE POLICY, THOSE THINGS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY GRANDFATHERED REMAINED GRANDFATHERED INTO IT. SURVEILLANCE EQUIPMENT THAT IS INCAPABLE OF COLLECTING IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION DUE TO THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED. IT'S ALSO CONSIDERED NON SURVEILLANCE. SO AGAIN, THE GRAND RAPIDS FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND MOBILE GR ARE THE DEPARTMENTS THAT POSSESS THINGS THAT ARE ABLE TO BE REPORTED UNDER ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY. 1503 BUT MOBILE GR DID NOT UTILIZE THE EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REPORTED ON DURING THIS FISCAL YEAR, AND THEREFORE THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED AS PART OF THE SUMMARY OF DEPARTMENTAL USE. SO LET'S JUMP INTO THE DEPARTMENTS.WE'LL START WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT UTILIZED THE AUTO DRONE TECHNOLOGY THAT THEY HAVE BEEN UTILIZING FOR FOR YEARS. AND WE LOOK AT THIS. THERE WAS 126 TOTAL DRONE FLIGHTS. THAT IS A DECREASE FROM THE YEAR PRIOR. IT'S ACTUALLY 51. SO THAT WAS 51 FLIGHTS DOWN FROM PREVIOUS YEARS. 77 OF THE FLIGHTS WERE USED FOR TRAINING. AGAIN, THAT'S 90% DOWN FROM FISCAL YEAR 24, 15 FOR RECONNAISSANCE, 12 FOR PUBLIC RELATIONS, 11 FOR WATER RESCUE. THAT IS UP BY 8% AND ANOTHER 11 FOR STRUCTURE FIRE FIGHTS. THIS IS DISAGGREGATED BY WAR. SO IN WARD THREE THERE WERE 67 FLIGHTS AND ONE THERE WERE 28 FLIGHTS AND WERE TWO ONE FLIGHT. THERE ARE UNSPECIFIED LOCATIONS OF 30 FLIGHTS NOW. TRAINING REMAINS TO BE THE MAJORITY USE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT IT DID DECREASE SLIGHTLY IN FY 24.
THERE IS NO COMPLAINTS OF OVERUSE OR MISUSE BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND NO DRONE DEPLOYMENTS WERE SUBJECT TO A WARRANT REQUIREMENT BY THE COURTS. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SPENT $7,581.85 ON OPERATING AND MAINTAINING AND EMPLOYING ALLTEL DRONE DURING THE REPORTING PERIOD, AND THERE'S ALSO GRAPHS INCLUDED THAT DETAIL THIS SAME INFORMATION.
SO AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE WAY THIS WAS DISAGGREGATED. BUT LET'S GO A LITTLE FURTHER AND LOOK AT THE WAY THAT FLIGHTS THAT WERE NOT FOR TRAINING USE WERE DISAGGREGATED. SO THERE WERE A TOTAL OF 49 FLIGHTS THAT WERE NOT FOR TRAINING USE. TWO OF THOSE FLIGHTS WERE IN WARD ONE, AND THOSE WERE FOR PUBLIC RELATIONS TWO IN WARD TWO. THAT WAS FOR, I'M SORRY, IN WARD TWO, THERE WAS ONE, AND THAT WAS FOR RECONNAISSANCE. AND THEN YOU SEE IN WARD THREE THERE WERE SEVEN FLIGHTS FOR PUBLIC RELATIONS, 11 FLIGHTS FOR RECONNAISSANCE, 11 FLIGHTS FOR STRUCTURE FIRES. AND THEN WE HAVE THE BREAKDOWN FOR THE UNSPECIFIED LOCATIONS AS WELL.
FY 25 DID SEE A RISE IN INCIDENT. RESPONSES FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN WARD THREE ACCOUNTED FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE NINE TRAINING DEPLOYMENTS. STRUCTURE. FIRE FLIGHTS INCREASED FROM 4 TO 11 AND ALL OF THOSE WERE IN WARD THREE. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DISTINCTION IN THE NUMBERS, YOU CAN FIND THE RATIONALE FOR THAT. WELL, THEY'RE ADDITIONALLY, WATER RESCUE FLIGHTS ROSE FROM 1 TO 11 AS WELL. SO AGAIN WE SEE THE INCREASE IN NUMBERS IN CERTAIN PLACES. THAT GIVES THE EXPLANATION OF WHY. OKAY. THEN WE TURN TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE WAY WE LOOK AT SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. WE KNOW THAT OUR POLICE OFFICERS WEAR BODY WORN CAMERAS BECAUSE THEY WEAR BODY WORN CAMERAS. THEY ARE COLLECTING SURVEILLANCE DATA AT A MUCH MORE FREQUENTLY THAN ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT. AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE DON'T ASK THEM TO REPORT ON. WHEN THEY DO USE BODY WORN CAMERAS, WE ASK THEM TO REPORT WHEN THEY'RE WHEN BODY WORN CAMERAS ARE NOT USED.
RIGHT. SO THERE ARE TWO SOURCES OF SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY THAT ARE SUBJECT TO REPORTING.
THAT'S THE BODY WORN CAMERAS. AND THEN THERE IS THE UNMANNED AERIAL SURVEILLANCE DRONES. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE BODY WORN CAMERA, THERE WERE TWO INSTANCES REPORTED WHEN THE BODY WORN CAMERA WAS NOT UTILIZED PROPERLY ACCORDING TO POLICY. ONE OF THEM WAS A BODY WORN CAMERA THAT WAS ACTIVATED LATE BY ONE MINUTE AND 26 SECOND DELAY. AND ANOTHER ONE WAS WHEN THE BODY WORN CAMERA WAS NOT CHARGED AND DID NOT TURN ON DURING A SEARCH WARRANT.
EXECUTION OPA DID RECEIVE ONE COMPLAINT ALLEGING MISUSE OR OVERUSE OF THE LICENSE PLATE READER SYSTEM TO SEARCH FOR DEPORTATION WARRANT AND VIOLATION OF RPD POLICY 712, AND EXPEDITED REVIEW OF THIS MATTER WAS CONDUCTED AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY MANAGER.
THE CITY ATTORNEY AND CHIEF OF POLICE CONCLUDED THAT THERE WAS NO POLICY VIOLATION BY RPD STAFF. AS A RESULT, I ADMINISTRATIVELY CLOSED THE COMPLAINT WITHOUT A COMPLAINT.
DISPOSITION REPORT. SO DURING THE REPORTING PERIOD, GRPD ACQUIRED AND EMPLOYED SMALL UNMANNED AERIAL SYSTEMS, COMMONLY KNOWN AS DRONES. SO THE PURPOSE OF THE USE, OF COURSE, IS CRIME SCENE PROSPECTIVE EVIDENCE COLLECTION, SEARCHES FOR FLEEING SUBJECTS AND ENDANGERED PERSONS, AND ALSO OVERWATCH DURING SEARCH WARRANTS. THERE ARE 483 TOTAL FLIGHTS. THAT'S 26%, UP FROM FY 24. 279 OF THOSE FLIGHTS WERE FOR OVERWATCH 162 TO LOCATE A
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PERSON, 39 FOR EVIDENCE COLLECTION AND THREE FOR CRIME PREVENTION. DURING THE REPORTING PERIOD, GRPD DEPLOYED DRONES AGAIN. THAT WAS 483 TIMES WE HAD TO BREAK DOWN BY WARD. THE FIRST WARD HAD THE MOST FLIGHTS AT 190. THAT'S 52.89 FLIGHT HOURS. SECOND WARD HAD 149, I'M SORRY, 157 FLIGHTS. THAT'S 42.62 HOURS. THIRD WARD. THERE WAS A DECREASE IN FLIGHTS.THERE WAS 127 FLIGHTS AT 35.44 HOURS. AND THIS GRAPH ALSO SHOWS THAT BREAKDOWN BY WARD.
SO DURING THE PERIOD, DRONES LOGGED 130.95 HOURS ACROSS ALL WARDS. I'VE ALREADY GIVEN THE BREAKDOWN OF THE HOURS BY WARDS. OVERWATCH. OVERWATCH WAS THE LARGEST SPACE THERE AT 89.2 HOURS. THAT'S 68%. LOCATING A PERSON TOTAL 36.68 AND EVIDENCE EVIDENCE COLLECTION LOCATED 4.98 HOURS. CRIME PREVENTION WAS AT 0.26 HOURS WITHIN EACH WARD. TIME WAS SIMILARLY OVERWATCH HEAVIER AND OVERWATCH SIDE, AND WE HAVE THAT BREAKDOWN THERE AS WELL. SO AUTHORIZATION AND COMPLAINTS. AGAIN, 158 DEPLOYMENTS WERE SUBJECT TO A WARRANT. THAT'S UP FROM 148 IN FY 24. NEITHER OPA NOR GRPD RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS REGARDING DRONE MISUSE, GRPD REPORTED. NO DATA WAS SHARED WITH ANY EXTERNAL ENTITIES. THE BUDGET RELATED TO THE BODY WORN CAMERA WAS PAID FOR THROUGH OPAS BUDGET. OPA PAID $1,619,305.53 TO AXION FOR THE GRPD BODY-WORN CAMERAS IN FISCAL YEAR 2025, GRPD SPENT $26,699.17 OF ITS DEPARTMENTAL FISCAL BUDGET TO OPERATE, MAINTAIN, AND DEPLOY THE DRONE TECHNOLOGY DURING THE REPORTING PERIOD, WHICH INCLUDES $17,600 FOR THE DRONE SOFTWARE. AND WE DID A REVIEW OF CIVIL RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES, THE IMPACT ON CIVIL RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES. AND OPA DID NOT FIND THAT THERE WAS A VIOLATION OF THE FIRST, FOURTH OR 14TH AMENDMENT. LOOKING FORWARD, OPA WILL CONTINUE TO COLLECT AND UTILIZE DATA THAT WE RECEIVE FROM CITY DEPARTMENTS TO DETERMINE IF SURVEILLANCE EQUIPMENT IS BEING USED OR PROPERLY, ACCORDING TO POLICY. AND OUR INAUGURAL SURVEILLANCE REPORT, WE REFERENCED TWO INTERNAL COMPLAINTS, AND WE SAID WE WOULD LOOK AT THOSE IN LATER REPORTS. THAT DATA. WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THAT YET BECAUSE THERE'S STILL LITIGATION TIED TO THOSE COMPLAINTS. AFTER THAT IS COMPLETED, IT IS OUR HOPE THAT WE WILL REVIEW THAT. OF COURSE, THE ADVENT OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, SPECIFICALLY FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY, IS A HORIZON ISSUE THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED FOR FUTURE POLICY CONSIDERATION AND REPORTS. OPA RECOGNIZES BOTH THE BENEFITS AND DISPARITIES THAT CAN COME AS A RESULT OF THAT TECHNOLOGY. THANK YOU, MR. DAVIS. COLLEAGUES. COMMISSIONER KILGORE, THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MR. DAVIS, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. ONE, I SEE THAT THE PUBLIC RELATIONS CATEGORY IS NEW. MAY I KNOW WHAT THAT REFERS TO? SURE. I ACTUALLY WILL ALLOW MR. DIRECT TO SPEAK TO THE NEW CATEGORY. THANK YOU.
LET ME INTRODUCE MR. DIRECT. THIS IS NICK DIRECT WHO SERVES AS THE INVESTIGATION MANAGER IN OPA. AND HE DOES THE BULK OF THE WORK ON OUR SURVEILLANCE POLICY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO I APPRECIATE HIM AND HIS WORK. GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. I'M GLAD WE STARTED WITH AN EASY ONE. THE PUBLIC RELATIONS CATEGORY. SO THEY BUILT THE NEW FIRE STATION, AND THEY ACTUALLY USE THE DRONES TO SHOWCASE THAT NEW FIRE STATION. SO THAT'S ALL THAT'S FOR. OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. I APPRECIATE IT A SECOND, MR. DAVIS, WHAT DOES ACCOUNTABILITY LOOK LIKE WHEN, FOR EXAMPLE, BODY WORN CAMERAS ARE NOT PROPERLY ENGAGED? WHAT ACCOUNTABILITY LOOK LIKE FOR THE TWO INSTANCES THAT YOU NOTED. SO IF THERE'S A VIOLATION OF BODY WORN CAMERA POLICY THAT IS PROCESSED THROUGH THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION OF THE GRAND RAPIDS POLICE DEPARTMENT, I CAN'T SPEAK TO IF YOU'RE ASKING WHAT WAS THE ACTUAL DISCIPLINE, BUT THAT GOES THROUGH THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT AND GOES THROUGH THE INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS THERE. YEAH, MAYBE THE INTERIM POLICE CHIEF COULD GIVE ME MORE INSIGHT TO THAT QUESTION. YES. IT ALL RELATES TO LIKE, IS IT THEIR FIRST OFFENSE, SECOND OFFENSE. AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE. SO LIKE A FIRST INCIDENT COULD BE A COACHING AND IT COULD RISE ABOVE AND WRITTEN COUNSELING AND VICE VERSA. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH INTERIM CHIEF. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION HERE IS IN TERMS OF WHEN I REMEMBER THE DRONE CONVERSATION, A PART OF US GETTING THOSE, THE CITY GETTING THOSE WAS A COST SAVINGS. SO DO WE HAVE A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT COST SAVINGS HAS LOOKED LIKE AS WE HAVE THESE DRONES, RATHER THAN EMPLOYING THEM FROM, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY OR WHAT HAVE YOU? DO WE HAVE A SNAPSHOT OF THAT?
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I'LL, I'LL START MAYBE THE EXCUSE ME, MAYBE CHIEF WINSTROM OR DEPUTY CHIEF DRAKE. I RECALL THE DISCUSSION WAS PARTICULARLY IN TIME SAVINGS ON ACCIDENT SCENES, RECONSTRUCTING THOSE VERSUS MANUALLY DOING IT ON THE GROUND. WE HAVE AERIAL VIEW THAT SAVE AND WE DID QUANTIFY THAT HOW QUICKLY THOSE CAN BE DONE. AND PERHAPS THEY CAN ELABORATE MORE ON HOW EFFICIENT IT IS USING DRONES VERSUS ON THE GROUND PERSONNEL. YOU EXPLAINED IT BETTER THAN I COULD, SIR, AND IT'D BE IMPOSSIBLE TO. I MEAN, WE COULD COME UP WITH AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH TIME, BUT THE TRAFFIC TEAM THAT GOES OUT ON ALL FATAL OR NEAR FATAL ACCIDENTS USES A DRONE INSTEAD OF I MEAN, WE HAD EXTENSION LADDERS GOING UP PREVIOUSLY, WHICH WERE ALSO VERY DANGEROUS. SO AS WELL AS SERIOUS CRIME SCENES THAT WE NEED PHOTOGRAPHING, IT COULD TAKE SEVERAL HOURS. AND NOW WE CAN DO IT SUPER FAST. YEAH, WITH THERMAL IMAGING AND THE QUALITY IS A THOUSAND TIMES BETTER. SO IT DEFINITELY SAVES A LOT OF TIME. TIME SAVING TIME.YEAH, I GUESS TIME IS MONEY, RIGHT. BUT YEAH. OVER TIME. YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR ANSWERS. YOU ALL THANKS. COMMISSIONER SAUSAGE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND THANK YOU, MR. DAVIS, FOR THIS PRESENTATION. I, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, LIKE LAST MONTH, I WAS LIKE, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THE SURVEILLANCE REPORT? BECAUSE I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WE LOOK THROUGH THIS REPORT AND APPRECIATE SOME OF THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. BUT ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS MOST INTERESTING TO ME WAS ON THE USE OF THE FLAT CAMERA. AND IT SHOULD BE WITH THAT LICENSE PLATE WITH THE WITH THE COMPLAINT THAT WAS MADE. AND I THINK IT WAS COMING AT A TIME, ESPECIALLY WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RESPONDING IN A WAY TOWARDS IMMIGRATION AND JUST SEEING AN APPROACH TO INDIVIDUALS WHO, YOU KNOW, WERE QUOTE UNQUOTE DOING, YOU KNOW, COMING THE RIGHT WAY AND JUST A LOT OF FEAR IN OUR COMMUNITIES AT THE TIME. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, AT THAT TIME, I TALKED TO CITY MANAGER REGULARLY. I TALKED TO CHIEF WINSTROM REGULARLY. AND THEN YOUR DEPARTMENT TO BE ABLE TO INCLUDE THIS BECAUSE THAT THOSE READERS ARE GRANDFATHERED AND NOT INCLUDED IN THEIR SURVEILLANCE REPORT. THAT'S CORRECT. SO I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO, TO EVERYONE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT WAS A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION THE OTHER DAY IN AN EVENT. AND SO WE WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND IN THIS REGARD BECAUSE THERE WAS SUCH A CALL. AND I THINK A LOT OF THINGS HAVE HAPPENED AS IT RELATES TO IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND WHILE CHIEF WINSTROM HAS MADE A NUMBER OF STATEMENTS, I'VE MADE A NUMBER OF STATEMENTS, CITY MANAGER, OTHERS HAVE MADE A NUMBER STATEMENTS. THERE STILL IS A LOT OF FEAR IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT HOW WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE INTERACTING WITH IMMIGRATION AND ENFORCEMENT AGENTS. AND SO THIS IN PARTICULAR WAS, YOU KNOW, REALLY KEY FOR FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THIS. I KNOW CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. YOU AND YOUR PREDECESSOR, MISS HITCHCOCK, SPENT A NUMBER OF HOURS ON THIS AS WELL. I'VE CONTINUED TO SAY TO INDIVIDUALS, IF WE ARE AWARE OF ANY BODY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF IN THE MEDIA, PARTICULARLY IN DETROIT OVER THE LAST WEEK. BUT IF THERE IS ANY SENSE THAT YOU FEEL THAT WE ARE INTERACTING WITH IMMIGRATION CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT, PLEASE TO COMMUNICATE. WE HAVE SAID THAT THAT IS NOT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE. THERE ARE DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS, I THINK, WHEN AGAIN, IF THERE'S A TRAFFIC STOP, WE'RE DIRECTING TRAFFIC. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO RESPOND. IF WE'RE BEING ASKED TO RESPOND TO THINGS THAT RELATE TO A TRESPASS ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY, WE'RE GOING TO RESPOND. THAT IS NOT US SEEING THAT WE ARE ENGAGING WITH IMMIGRATION AND JUST HAVE THERE'S PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. BUT I REALLY WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THIS IS A THIS WAS A BIG DEAL, AND IT WAS RESPONDED TO IN A REALLY IMMEDIATE WAY. AND SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO REALLY EVERY SINGLE AID. THEY'RE NOT WE'RE NOT AGENCIES, BUT DEPARTMENTS THAT EXISTED HERE AT THE CITY. I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF COORDINATION THAT HAPPENED, AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO PUT CHIEF WINSTROM ON THE SPOT HERE, BUT. OR CHIEF TRIGG. BUT I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONING IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE FLOCK CAMERA TECHNOLOGY AND SOME, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING IT UNDERSTAND IT. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF, LET'S SAY, URBAN MYTHS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT. AND SO I THINK IT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING FOR US TO REVIEW THAT, FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THOSE CAMERAS ARE DOING. SO, I MEAN, I WILL JUST SAY THAT I'M VERY CLEAR THAT THOSE ARE READING LICENSE PLATES. THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT FACIAL, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT PEOPLE'S FACES. AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING FOR THAT'S LIKE A REALLY IMPORTANT FIRST THING FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW.
AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO TOO MUCH MORE OF IT NOW. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN IN DUE TIME, IT MIGHT BE AN APPROPRIATE TOPIC FOR US TO JUST BE ABLE TO HEAR FROM, FROM THE OFFICERS ON.
AND MR. DAVIS, IT'S NOT YOUR BAILIWICK BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THOSE ARE ACTUALLY USED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO I THINK THAT CAN BE THAT COULD BE A USEFUL CONVERSATION IN THE
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FUTURE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MY EYES LOOKING AT YOU AS A FORM OF SURVEILLANCE, A CAMERA LOOKING AT YOU AS A FORM OF SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY ARE A FORM OF SURVEILLANCE IN SOME SENSE. AND SO IT'S I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT THE INSIDE. THE SCOPE OF THE REPORT YOU GAVE TODAY. YES.I DO WANT TO EXCUSE ME. THANK CITY ATTORNEY HITCHCOCK AT THE TIME WHO HELPED US TO ESCALATE AND PRIORITIZE THAT REVIEW TO ENSURE THAT NONE OF OUR PERSONNEL WERE VIOLATING ANY OF OUR POLICIES ON UTILIZATION OF TECHNOLOGY SURVEILLANCE, OUR VIOLATING THE POLICY ON HOW WE COOPERATE WITH FEDERAL AUTHORITIES. SO I WANT TO THANK HER IN HER ABSENCE. THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO WAS COME BACK. IT TOOK ME A MINUTE TO THINK ABOUT DOCTOR GOLDSTEIN'S INQUIRY ON ANOTHER REPORT HE REQUESTED FROM OPA. SO THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF REPORTS THIS PAST WEEK FROM MEDIA ON THE NUMBER OF OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTINGS. YOU'VE HEARD THE CHIEF SAY THE NUMBER OF 12 OR SO. I'VE SEEN SOME REPORTS ON WHICH ONES WERE FATAL VERSUS THOSE INVOLVED INJURY. AND I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL OF, AND CERTAINLY WE CAN LOOK AND SEE WHAT WE CAN LEARN FROM ANY OF THOSE THAT ARE CLOSED, THAT ARE CLOSED FROM MICHIGAN STATE POLICE AND PROSECUTOR, ETC. THOSE THAT ARE PENDING OBVIOUSLY ARE PENDING LITIGATION. WE WOULDN'T WANT TO WANT TO GO BEYOND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WHAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE.
BUT I THINK WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL, JUST LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT SURVEILLANCE POLICY AND ANY WE'RE NOT RELITIGATING ANYTHING THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED CRIMINALLY OR ADMINISTRATIVELY, BUT MORE SO KIND OF PROCEDURALLY THINGS. I THINK THOSE ARE LESSONS OR THINGS THAT WE MIGHT, MIGHT OBSERVE. I HEARD THE COMMENT TODAY. YOU SAID NINE OUT OF 12.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE WAS IN ONE WARD VERSUS THE OTHER TIME OF DAY, WHATEVER THE CIRCUMSTANCES WERE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE IN COMMON OTHER THAN THE IMMINENT THREAT OF SOMEONE'S LIFE. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN GO BACK AND TALK TO MR. DAVIS AND OUR INTERIM CHIEF ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT RESPOND TO TO THAT INQUIRY. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE ASK ABOUT THAT. WE MATTER OF FACT, EARLIER THIS WEEK, I WAS JUST IN A CONVERSATION WITH THE THE CHIEF AND BRANDON DAVIS ABOUT THAT SAME INQUIRY. IS THERE A TIMELINE ON THAT, OR ARE WE JUST BECAUSE I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO I KNOW, I'M SORRY, I JUST I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE SWEPT UNDER THE RUG, YOU KNOW? I KNOW WE HAVE OTHER MATTERS PERTAINING TO. COMMISSIONER KILGORE. I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT I'M NOT AI. I DON'T HAVE AN IMMEDIATE ANSWER. SO. SO I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO, CERTAINLY WE WON'T BE ABLE TO MEET IN MARCH. AND SO WE'LL GIVE SOME THOUGHT TO THAT. AND THIS IS A REPORT WE'VE NOT DONE BEFORE. SO I WANT TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT IT. WELL, AND I ALSO I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT A, THAT THESE ARE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY EVERY SINGLE TIME THAT THEY OCCUR. AND THERE'S A PROCESS AND THERE ARE FINDINGS AND DETERMINATIONS.
SO YES, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO BE RELITIGATING MATTERS THAT HAVE BEEN VERY THAT WHERE THE WHERE THE RESOLUTION IS VERY CLEAR. AND I SEE MY COLLEAGUES SITTING IN THIS CHAIR LIKE A MUMMY. THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD ASK HIM TO HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON ON HIS CONCERNS ABOUT ANY OF THIS. I WOULD JUST REMIND EVERYONE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PUBLIC EMPLOYEE RELATIONS MATTERS AND COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLEXITIES THAT ARE MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE. AND WE CERTAINLY HEAR AND RESPECT THE DEMANDS FOR AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE. WE ALSO HAVE A LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY TO EMPLOYEES THAT'S GOVERNED BY STATE LAW FOR THE MOST PART, BUT ALSO BY COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS THAT ARE A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH. AND WE REALLY CELEBRATE WHEN WE HAVE THOSE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING PROCESSES AND ENTER INTO THOSE AGREEMENTS. AND SO WE LIVE BY THE LANGUAGE OF THE LAW, BOTH THE STATE LAW AND THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT COMPROMISING. EITHER OF THOSE SCENARIOS. WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE COMMIT TO DO PUBLICLY AND THAT'S IN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS AND THAT'S IN OUR ADMINISTRATIVE POLICIES WE DO. SO I THINK THOSE COMMITMENTS WE MAKE, WE WE ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THOSE AS WELL. YES.
COMMISSIONER SOURCING. SO TRYING TO WEIGH OUT THE QUESTIONS HERE. AND YOU KNOW, I THINK SOMETIMES IT'S HARD BECAUSE I THINK ABOUT, OKAY, I AFTER THIS LAST SHOOTING I WENT
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ONLINE AND WAS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, JUST WHAT ARE ALL THE STORIES TRYING TO REMEMBER ALL THE, ALL THE ONES. BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT WAS REFERENCED IN A NEWS ARTICLE, THE 12, I SHOULD SAY THE 12, NOT SAY ALL THE ONES. AND SO AT THE VERY MINIMUM, CITY MANAGER AND THIS MEETING IN APRIL, COULD WE HAVE AN OVERVIEW OF OF JUST WHERE IT'S NOT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO A STUDY, BUT WE'RE SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO COLLECTIVELY SHOW THESE ONES FROM 2022 AND WHEREVER IF THEY HAVE BEEN ADJUDICATED. AND JUST BECAUSE I KNOW FOR ME, THAT'S REPORTED IN MEDIA, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE. SO YEAH, AGAIN, I'VE NOTICED MANY NEW STORIES ABOUT SOME OF THE HISTORICAL INCIDENTS. AND SO I WILL CONFER WITH CITY ATTORNEY AND OPA AND POLICE CHIEF AND COME UP WITH WITH A WAY TO BE RESPONSIVE. THANKS. THANK YOU, MR. DAVIS.YES, COMMISSIONER KOGER. YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. EARLIER IN OUR COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, THE CITY MANAGER WAS ABLE TO GIVE A SNAPSHOT, AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT WITH THE MOST CURRENT SHOOTING OF MSP IS INVESTIGATING AND THEN WHAT NEXT STEPS LOOK LIKE. AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT COMMUNITY IS. WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM COMMUNITY IS THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE. AND I THINK THAT IS THAT CALL RIGHT OF TO EXPLORE MORE. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CITY ATTORNEY SAYING WE DO RESPECT THE CALL OF FOLKS WANTING AS MUCH TRANSPARENT INFORMATION AS THEY CAN GET. AND WE DO. BUT THERE IS A PROCESS. AND SO I'M TRYING TO IF WE CAN AGAIN, FOR COMMUNITY OF WHERE WE ARE WITH IT AND WHAT THEY CAN EXPECT WITH NEXT STEPS. I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO IN THIS AS A PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. I SAY AGAIN, AS WE DID AND WE YEAH, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE MINUTES LEFT. CHIEF, IF I COULD BEG YOUR INDULGENCE ON THIS. YOU SAID IT BEFORE YOU SAID IT. WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION IN COMMITTEE. THE WHOLE. BUT DIFFERENT PEOPLE MAY BE TUNING IN FOR THIS MEETING. SO IF YOU COULD JUST SUMMARIZE THE THE INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS. SO UP UNTIL I WOULD SAY THE DAY AFTER THE PRESS AVAILABILITY THAT THAT I DID COMMUNICATING WITH MICHIGAN STATE POLICE, ASK THEM WHAT ELSE CAN THE GRAND RAPIDS POLICE DEPARTMENT PROVIDE TO YOU? ANY ASSISTANCE? WHAT DO YOU NEED? I BELIEVE IT WAS AT THAT POINT THAT THEY SAID, WE'RE GOOD. WE WILL CONTACT YOU FURTHER. WE'VE GOT IT ALL FROM HERE. THEY TAKE OVER. SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE, THE TIME FRAMES, TIME FRAME, I WOULD SAY RANGES FROM ABOUT TWO WEEKS TO ABOUT A LITTLE OVER TWO MONTHS MAX. SO WHERE IT IS WITH THERE, I DON'T SINCE I DON'T HAVE THE INVESTIGATION, I DON'T KNOW HOW COMPLEX IT IS.
ANYTHING I WOULD SAY WOULD BE A GUESS. BUT AND AGAIN, TO TO REITERATE THE INTERACTION BETWEEN ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THIS PROCESS, THIS IS AN INVESTIGATION AT THIS POINT BY THE MICHIGAN STATE POLICE. AND THAT MEANS THAT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS NOT WEIGH IN AND MAKE COMMENTS ON WHAT THEY THINK THEY KNOW OR DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THIS PROCESS HAVE ITS INTEGRITY, THAT IT PROCEED HOWEVER IT'S GOING TO PROCEED AND THAT WE FOLLOW, I MEAN, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT, THE RULE OF LAW. AND THERE'S A PROCESS IN PLACE TO DO THAT. AND THE CITY MANAGER AND MYSELF AND THE CHIEF HAVE MADE PUBLIC STATEMENTS ABOUT THIS. BUT AT THIS POINT, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN FORGOTTEN OR DROPPED. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN PROCESS. AND AS SUCH, RESPECTING THE INTEGRITY OF THAT PROCESS IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND NOT INTERFERING WITH IT. AND SO JUST TO COMPLETE THE PROCESS. SO AFTER MICHIGAN STATE POLICE COMPLETES THEIR INVESTIGATION, THEY TURN IT OVER TO THE PROSECUTOR. YES. WHO WILL DETERMINE CRIMINALITY IN ANY EVENT. AND AND THE PROSECUTOR ALWAYS MAKES A PUBLIC RELEASE OF HIS FINDINGS. HE'LL CONTACT US AND GIVE INFORMATION TO US IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO CONSIDER PUTTING THE POLICE OFFICER BACK ON PATROL, ETCETERA. DOESN'T ALWAYS MAKE THE NEWS JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, CONTROVERSIAL. BUT THE PROSECUTOR WILL LET EVERYONE KNOW. SO IN THIS CASE, I'M SURE WE'LL FIND OUT WHEN HIS CONCLUSION IS COMPLETE. AND OF COURSE, HE DOESN'T HAVE IT YET.
SO HE IT'S STILL WITHIN HIS PURVIEW, FOR EXAMPLE, TO REFER TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. SO THERE ARE OTHER DECISIONS THAT MAY BE MADE HERE IN THE CASE THAT ARE, AGAIN, OUTSIDE OF OUR BAILIWICK. AND THEN THERE'S A ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS IN WHICH IF THE PROSECUTOR DOESN'T FIND ANY CRIMINAL WRONGDOING AND WE DON'T BELIEVE OR IF THERE IS ANY ALLEGED CRIMINAL WRONGDOING, THEN WE GO TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE DISCIPLINARY PROCESS THAT THEN IT'S TURNED OVER TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS, AND WE CONTINUE THAT FOR PERSONNEL DETERMINATION. AND THEN WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS OF CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED THAT BEFORE ABOUT EMPLOYEES RIGHTS
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TO GRIEVE DISCIPLINE. AND THEN LASTLY, I THINK WHAT WE'VE TOUCHED ON TODAY IS WHAT KIND OF POST-INCIDENT REVIEW IN TERMS OF, AFTER ALL THE PROCESSES ARE DONE, KIND OF AN OVERSIGHT, MONITORING, EVALUATION OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED KIND OF COLLECTIVELY OVER, OVER SOME TIME. MISS JAMES. I HAD A QUESTION FOR MR. DAVIS. HEY, CHIEF. FROM WHAT I'VE LEARNED AS A CITIZEN MEMBER AND FROM THE MANY TRAININGS FROM SAFE ENCOUNTERS AND HERE AND THE STATEMENTS THAT WE MAKE AS A CITY TO TRANSPARENCY, ARE YOU GIVEN ACCESS TO THOSE REPORTS WHEN YOU ARE INVESTIGATING THOSE OF OFFICER RELATED SHOOTINGS OR NOT, WHEN YOU REQUEST THEM? I'VE REQUESTED OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING REPORTS AND THEY HAVE BEEN DENIED BY CHIEF WINSTROM. SO AT THIS POINT, NO, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING REPORTS OR EVIDENCE RELATED TO THAT. SO ONLY THIS ONE OR I MADE A REQUEST FOR ANY AND ALL RECORDS, AND I WAS DENIED THE REQUEST FOR ANY AND ALL RECORDS RELATED TO OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS. THAT YOU'VE BEEN HERE. I MADE A REQUEST. SORRY. GO AHEAD. GO RIGHT AHEAD.I'LL LET HIM FINISH. I MADE A REQUEST LAST WEEK TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAD RECORDS RELATED TO OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS. THAT REQUEST WAS DENIED BY CHIEF WINSTROM. THE RESPONSE INDICATED THAT INTERNAL AFFAIRS WAS BEING INSTRUCTED TO DISREGARD THE REQUEST. MAYOR, IF I COULD. SO THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE DONE THIS EVALUATION OF THE POST SHOOTING INCIDENT AND THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED EARLIER. AS I SAID, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THOSE RIGHTS THAT CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED ARE NOT VIOLATED, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROCEDURE TO THE T INTERNALLY WHENEVER WE'RE ASKING FOR RECORDS. AND SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT NOW. I'VE ENGAGED CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND SO I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT WE WILL BE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH THIS REVIEW MOVING FORWARD. THANKS.
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