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          NOW THE COMMITTEE WILL COME TO ORDER. CITY CLERK, DO WE CALL? DO YOU WANT TO CALL IT? SORRY. 
          [1. Resolution recommending approval by the Michigan Liquor Control Commission of Social District Permit application pursuant to Public Act 124 of 2020 for Grand Vin, LLC located at 15 Ionia Ave SW Suite 120]
SO FIRST ON OUR AGENDA IS RESOLUTION APPROVING PARDON ME. RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING APPROVAL BY THE MICHIGAN LIQUOR CONTROL OF SOCIAL DISTRICT PURSUANT TO PA 12, 2020 FOR THE GRANDVILLE LLC AT 15. MR. CLARK, ANY OTHER SUPPORT? ANY OTHER DETAILS, MR. CLARK? NO. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL 
          [2. Resolution rescheduling the November 11, 2025 City Commission Meeting to November 13, 2025]
IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. PASSES. BRINGS US TO THE SECOND RESOLUTION. AND THIS IS RESOLUTION SCHEDULING. NOVEMBER 11TH CITY COMMISSION MEETING. TO NOVEMBER 13TH. AND I WOULD LIKE TO GIVEN THAT THIS IS WE ALL HAVE COMPLICATED LIVES. MY FIRST IMPULSE WAS TO SIMPLY HAVE YOU ALL COMMIT TO THINKING ABOUT WHETHER THAT MAKES SENSE. AND PERHAPS TABLING THIS AND OR WHAT'S THE TECHNICAL WORD, POSTPONE THIS FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND THEN ON THE 29TH, WE CAN ALL MAKE A HARD COMMIT THERE. LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO PUSH ANYONE TOO FAST ON THE 
          [3. Motion to postpone the scheduling of the November work session.]
CALENDAR. THIS IS AFTER NOVEMBER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO IF I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE ANYONE OR DOES ANYONE WANT TO GO FORWARD? IF YOU WANT TO COMMIT TO THIS NOW, I WOULD I WOULD RATHER POSTPONE AND GIVE HER SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS. I DON'T THINK IT REALLY HARMS ANYTHING. DISCUSSION. MR. CITY MANAGER. I WAS JUST GOING TO OFFER THAT THE REASON FOR THE MEETING IS OUR ANNUAL WORK PLANNING SESSION, WHERE WE PRIORITIZE AND IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT WE HAVE 100% PARTICIPATION BY ALL COMMISSIONERS. SO IF THERE'S SOMEONE WHO CANNOT PARTICIPATE, WE REALLY SHOULD RETHINK THAT DATE. I BELIEVE THIS WAS SOME DATES WERE ALREADY FIELDED PREVIOUSLY AND DISCUSSED, AT LEAST FOR FROM MY END AND FOR OTHER COMMISSIONERS POSSIBLY. SO I PERSONALLY HAVE NO REASON TO POSTPONE IT AT THIS TIME, BUT IF IT NEEDED TO BE READJUSTED LATER, WE COULD DISCUSS THAT. 
          OKAY, I'M NOT ONE. GO AHEAD. I'M GOOD WITH IT. I'M GOOD WITH THE DATE. I MEAN, I'D RATHER DO IT NOW. DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO GET IT ON THE FLOOR, THOUGH, TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION? CITY CLERK I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. SO MOTION. MOTION. SO MOVED. SUPPORT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOOD. OKAY. I AM NOT 1,000% SURE MY SCHEDULE THAT FAR OUT, SO I WOULD APPRECIATE SOME MORE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT. COMMISSIONER ROBINSON. YEAH, I CAN PROBABLY MAKE EITHER DAY WORK AT THIS POINT, BUT IF YOU'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT, I'D PREFER TO POSTPONE THIS FOR A COUPLE WEEKS TO GIVE YOU SOME EXTRA TIME. I THINK I'M OKAY WITH THAT. SO WHAT I'D DO, I'D MAKE AN AMENDED MOTION, MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS TO OUR JULY 29TH MEETING. SECOND. OKAY, ALL IN FAVOR OF GIVING ME A LITTLE MORE TIME TO LOOK AT MY CALENDAR? SAY HI. HI. THANK YOU. 
          UNLESS YOU'RE GOING SOMEWHERE REALLY NICE AND WE SAY NO. I WILL SAY I WOULD, I'LL, I WILL APPRECIATE THE TIME AS WELL. I HAVE TO SCHEDULE A SURGERY. SO I JUST WORKED WITH CITY STAFF TO SEE WHICH WHEN WE HAVE BREAKS AND THINGS. SO THIS WILL BE A LITTLE HELPFUL FOR ME WITH SCHEDULING AS WELL. SO THANK YOU ALL. GREAT. ANYONE OPPOSED THAT SOUNDED UNANIMOUS. OKAY. THANK 
          [4. Resolution approving a twelve-year Obsolete Property Rehabilitation Exemption Certificate, pursuant to PA 146 of 2000, for ICCF Nonprofit Housing Corporation at 2017 Eastern Avenue, SE]
YOU. SO THAT THAT'S POSTPONED. THIRD IS MISS RUGGIERO. I'LL INTRODUCE THIS AS A RESOLUTION FOR A 12 YEAR OPRAH FOR THE PROJECT, I THINK, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT PRIOR FOR IKF DOWN AT 2017 EASTERN. SO MOVED FOR. YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. GOOD MORNING. COMMISSIONERS. YES. 
          THIS IS A PROJECT YOU'VE SEEN WITH THE PROCESS AT THE CITY. THIS IS ADDING 15 NEW RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND ACTIVATING THE OR CONTINUING TO ACTIVATE THE FIRST FLOOR IS A US POSTAL SERVICE LOCATION. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS, BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE'S NOTHING MORE SPECIFIC THAT I WOULD ADD AT THIS TIME. GREAT. OTHER THAN A RESOLUTION ASKING THE FEDS TO MAKE THAT NOT TO UPDATE THE POST OFFICE, WHICH PROBABLY WOULDN'T DO US MUCH GOOD. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? OKAY, THEN. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. AND IF YOU CAN 
          [5. Resolution approving a twelve-year Obsolete Property Rehabilitation Exemption Certificate, pursuant to PA 146 of 2000, for Laura Chivis-Scott at 1032 Martin Luther King Junior Street SE]
STICK FOR THE NEXT ONE, WE HAVE A 12 YEAR OPRAH REQUEST FOR. MISS SCOTT'S PROJECT AT 1032 MARTIN LUTHER KING, WHICH WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT. AND WE'RE ALL SORT OF, I THINK, EXCITED ABOUT. 
          SO IF YOU COULD REINTRODUCE THAT. YEAH. SUPPORT. YES. THIS IS THE PROJECT JUST EAST OF MLK PARK. THIS IS ACTIVATING FIVE NEW RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND TWO COMMERCIAL SPACES. THIS WAS INITIALLY A DRAFT THOUGHT OF IN 2019 AND WAS STALLED WITH THE PANDEMIC. AND SO WE'RE REACTIVATING THE PROCESS HERE. GREAT. ALL IN FAVOR? ANYONE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK 
          [6. Resolution authorizing a Memorandum of Understanding with Canal Street Brewing Co., LLC]
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YOU. THAT BRINGS US NOW TO THE RESOLUTION FOR AN MOU WITH CANAL STREET BREWING. SO MOVED. GREAT. 
          GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. SO ORIGINALLY OUR MOU WITH FOUNDERS OR CANAL STREET BREWING WAS FROM OCTOBER OF 2017. AND IN THAT IT STATED THAT ONCE THE DIGESTERS WERE FULLY OPERATIONAL, WE WOULD REVISIT THE MOU, MAKE MODIFICATIONS AND WHAT WE BRING BEFORE YOU TODAY IS A MODIFIED MOU THAT JUST STATES THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO TAKE THE CONCENTRATED WASTE FROM FOUNDERS, FEED IT THROUGH THE PLANT IN OFF PEAK HOURS, AND THE RATES WILL CONTINUE TO BE EVALUATED AND SET THROUGH THE RATE STUDY. THIS WILL BE A THREE YEAR AGREEMENT AND STAY IN PLACE UNTIL A NEW AGREEMENT REPLACES IT. GREAT. AND IF I RECALL, AS A CITIZEN, THERE'S SOME BENEFICIAL I MEAN, HAVING THEIR THEIR PARTICULAR PROFILE OF WASTE IN THE SYSTEM IS ACTUALLY BENEFICIAL TO THE OPERATIONS OF THE WHOLE SYSTEM. RIGHT. SO YES. SO FEEDING IT THROUGH THE PLANT IN OFF PEAK HOURS ELIMINATES THE HIGHS AND LOWS THROUGH THE PLANT. SO IT CREATES MORE OF A STEADY FEED TO THE PLANT. GREAT. ANY DISCUSSION COLLEAGUES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. ALL OPPOSED? NOBODY. SO MOTION CARRIES. THAT BRINGS US NEXT TO MR. WILSON. AND I THINK 
          [7. Resolution setting July 29, 2025, as the date to consider an ordinance amending Sections 5.2.05. Lot and Yard Requirements and 5.3.06. Nonconforming Site Elements of the Zoning Ordinance (Chapter 61 of the City Code)]
THIS IS A RESOLUTION SETTING A DATE FOR CONSIDERING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT ON LOT AND YARD REQUIREMENTS. NONCONFORMING OWNS THE ZONING CODE. AND THIS IS AGAIN WE HAD AN EARLIER DISCUSSION ABOUT I BELIEVE IT WAS FOUR ITEMS. AND SO TWO OF THEM ARE BACK FOR PROPOSED CHANGE. CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. TO SUPPORT. GREAT. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. COMMISSION. YES. THIS SHOULD LOOK SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR IN EARLIER THIS YEAR THERE WAS A PACKAGE OF AMENDMENTS THAT CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. TWO OF THE FOUR SECTIONS OF THE ORDINANCE WERE PASSED BY CITY COMMISSION. HOWEVER, COMMISSION ASKED THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO FURTHER DELIBERATE ON WHETHER THERE WAS OPPORTUNITIES TO CONSIDER A MORE STREAMLINED APPROACH THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO I HAVE A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION JUST TO WALK YOU BACK THROUGH. IN SHORT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AFFIRMED THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOW FOR THESE TWO PARTICULAR AREAS THAT I'LL DETAIL IN A MOMENT TO BE CONSIDERED PROCESSED BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURE VERSUS THE CURRENT ZONING VARIANCE PROCESS. OOPS. OH, JOEL, WHAT DID I DO? HERE WE GO. OKAY, SO AS A REFRESHER, OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS HAS HAD TO DELIBERATE ON A NUMBER OF WHAT WE CALL DIMENSIONAL VARIANCE CASES OR NONUSE VARIANCES RELATIVE TO BASEMENT EGRESS WINDOWS TO ALLOW FOR A LESSER SETBACK THAN THE REQUIRED THREE FEET, AND ALSO TO ALLOW FOR SOME PARKING WITHIN A FRONT YARD, WHICH IS DEFINED BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE STREET TO BE RECONSTRUCTED, REPLACED, OR CONTINUED. THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS HAS KIND OF DEVELOPED A PREDICTABLE PATTERN OF APPROVALS. AND SO WHERE WE HAVE THOSE POLICY DECISIONS BEING MADE, IT IS COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, TO DETERMINE WHETHER A POLICY ADJUSTMENT IS NEEDED. AND OBVIOUSLY THEY AGREED. SO THAT CAME BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION, PLANNING COMMISSION DELIBERATED BACK ON FOR 24 AND AFFIRMED THEIR RECOMMENDATION. SO THE ZONING REVIEW PROCESSES ARE IN THREE BUCKETS EFFECTIVELY. SO THERE'S WHAT WE CALL THE BY RIGHT OR THE PERMITTED, WHICH IS A STAFF LEVEL REVIEW THAT IS DONE BY PLANNING DEPARTMENT. IF THERE IS, THOSE ARE THE BASELINE MODIFICATIONS. IF THERE ARE DEPARTURES, DEVIATIONS, VARIANCES, CHOOSE YOUR TERM. THEN IT GOES THROUGH A SUBSEQUENT PROCESS THAT CAN HAPPEN CONCURRENT OR IT WOULD HAPPEN BEFORE A PERMIT DEPENDING ON THE PARTICULARS. SO ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURE IS WHAT WE CALL A STAFF LEVEL VARIANCE OR A STAFF LEVEL WAIVER. THAT PLANNING DEPARTMENT LOOKS AT WHAT THE CONSIDERATION IS AND DETERMINES WHETHER A DEVIATION IS APPROPRIATE IN THOSE TWO CASES, OR SORRY, IN ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURE CASE THAT DOES HAPPEN CONCURRENT WITH THE ACTUAL PERMIT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. SO BASEMENT EGRESS WINDOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME THE DEPARTURE AS THE BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW VARIANCE WOULD HAPPEN PRIOR. IT DOES GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF ZONING 
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APPEALS. THEY ARE QUASI JUDICIAL. IT IS A FAR MORE ROBUST PROCESS THAT CARRIES A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME AND EFFORT. PUT TOGETHER THE APPLICATION AND OF COURSE, COST. AND THAT'S THE SCALE THAT WELL, SORT OF A SCALE SLIDE THAT YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN. SO RELATIVE TO BASEMENT EGRESS WINDOW WELLS, I WON'T DESCRIBE THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE LANGUAGE. I DID THAT PREVIOUSLY, BUT CERTAINLY IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS LET ME KNOW. BUT WHY ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURE. 
          WHY WAS THAT RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND REAFFIRMED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THOSE DEPARTURES. AGAIN, THE BASELINE IS A DESIRE TO HAVE A THREE FOOT SETBACK. SO ONE FOOT WOULD BE A DEPARTURE FROM THAT. AND SO WE HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL REVIEW TO PROVIDE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO COLLECT INFORMATION THAT WE MAY NOT OTHERWISE REQUIRE, DO AN ANALYSIS OF THAT INFORMATION. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE ADJACENT STRUCTURE IS WITHIN FEET OF THE LOT LINE, THERE IS ADDITIONAL STRUCTURAL INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD NEED ON A PARTICULAR APPLICATION THAT WOULD NOT BE TYPICAL OF A BASEMENT EGRESS WINDOW. WELL, AND SO IT IS A DEPARTURE. IT'S AN EXCEPTION. SO LOOKING AT EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS, LOOKING AT PATH OF EGRESS, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE AN APPROPRIATE PATH, LOOKING AT WHAT THE MANUFACTURER SPECS ARE, WHERE WE HAVE THREE FEET, YOU CAN HAVE THE LADDER TO GET OUT OF THE WELL IN FRONT OF YOU. WHEREAS IF THERE IS ONLY ONE FOOT, YOU NEED THE LADDER AT EITHER END. SO I COME OUT OF THE WINDOW AND I GO MY LEFT TO MY RIGHT, LEFT OR RIGHT, DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT PATH OF EGRESS IS AND WHAT OBSTRUCTIONS MIGHT BE IN PLACE. SO PLANNING COMMISSION DID TALK ABOUT THIS BEING A TRANSITIONAL PERIOD, MEANING THAT LET'S LEARN IT IS A STEP EASIER THAN THE VARIANCE PROCESS. AND THERE COULD BE A POINT IN THE FUTURE WHERE WE HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIENCE TO BE ABLE TO WRITE LANGUAGE THAT IS MAYBE MORE PREDICTABLE IN TERMS OF GETTING TO THAT ONE FOOT, BUT BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE AND WHAT WE BELIEVE, WE ARE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. ALSO, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT WHEN SOMETHING IS CONSIDERED BY RIGHT, THEY ARE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS, AND IF IT MEETS THOSE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS, I AM LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO APPROVE THE PERMIT. AND SO THAT REALLY MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO WRITE CODE LANGUAGE WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE, WHEREAS THE ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURE GIVES US A MORE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW THINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE HOLISTICALLY ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF A PROPERTY. VERY SIMILAR REASONS FOR WHY THE DEPARTURE WAS AFFIRMED FOR FRONT YARD PARKING. THIS ONE, IN MY OPINION, WOULD BE FAR MORE COMPLICATED TO WRITE A BY RIGHT SCENARIO, BECAUSE THE UNDERLYING PREMISE FOR OUR CODE IS THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO SUPPORT PARKING IN A FRONT YARD, SO THIS WOULD BE A DEPARTURE FROM THAT GENERAL PRINCIPLE THAT WE HAVE AS A CITY. AND SO WRITING A CODE TO MAKE IT BY RIGHT, UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES BECOMES VERY COMPLICATED WITH A IF THIS, THEN THAT, IF THAT, THEN THIS. WHEN YOU START DEVELOPING CODE LOGIC, CODE LOGIC THAT HAS THOSE EXCEPTIONS VERSUS THE DEPARTURE PROCESS WHERE WE CAN BE MORE PERMISSIVE, IT BECOMES VERY COMPLICATED FROM AN ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT. IT BECOMES TO EXPLAIN, IT BECOMES A MORE CHALLENGING ADMINISTRATION COMPONENT. AND WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PLAN REVIEWERS, I THINK THAT CONSISTENCY IS REALLY VITAL FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT IN OUR DECISION MAKING. AND WHEN YOU HAVE COMPLICATED CODE LOGIC, YOU ARE MORE APT TO MAKE MISTAKES IN HOW WE ADMINISTER IT. SO THAT, AGAIN, IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO AFFIRM THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW PROCESS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. OTHERWISE, THIS IS SET FOR A JULY 29TH CITY COMMISSION ORDINANCE HEARING OR NOT HEARING ORDINANCE. ADOPTION. GREAT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER ROBINS YEAH. THANKS, MAYOR. JUST MORE OF A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. SO, YOU KNOW, IF THIS GETS ADOPTED, WHAT SORT OF COMMUNICATIONS ARE DONE WITH LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY? I KNOW SOME OF THESE THINGS I'VE HEARD AS AS FEEDBACK FROM HOMEOWNERS WHEN IT PERTAINS TO LIKE THE BASEMENT EGRESS WINDOWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I'M JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO, YOU KNOW, THAT INFORM PEOPLE THAT SOMETHING HAS BECOME AN ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURE RATHER THAN HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT SUBMITTING THE APPLICATION FEE, PUTTING TOGETHER A WHOLE PACKET AND THINGS LIKE THAT JUST TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE HOUSING CONVERSATION MOVING FORWARD AND NOTIFYING PEOPLE THAT THERE COULD BE A NEW OPPORTUNITY THEN TO BUILD ADDITIONAL UNITS ON THEIR HOUSE. SO THAT THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. TYPICALLY, WE WOULD BE MORE RESPONSIVE WHEN WE HAVE ORDINANCE CHANGES. SO WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN, THE PLANNERS WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENT WOULD WOULD PROVIDE DIFFERENT GUIDANCE. RIGHT. WE WOULD NO LONGER BE SAYING YOU NEED TO APPLY FOR VARIANCE. WE'D BE SAYING, OH, YOU CAN APPLY FOR A DEPARTURE. AND HERE'S THE CONSIDERATIONS. I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULDN'T GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT APPLICATIONS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED THAT MIGHT BE REJECTED. AND I THAT I'M NOT SURE I CAN'T I DON'T WANT TO PROMISE THAT. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO. YEAH. IT'S JUST MORE OF A 
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CURIOSITY. I DON'T KNOW, I'M EVEN JUST THINKING LIKE, SOCIAL MEDIA WISE, IF THERE'S THINGS WE COULD DO TO PROMOTE, YOU KNOW, MOVING TO ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS. SO I DON'T. CITY MANAGER, IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING. YEAH. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. 
          MAYOR, I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE POSITIVE THINGS THAT WE CAN EXPRESS THAT HELPS US TO ADDRESS SOME OF OUR LONG TERM HOUSING NEEDS. AND HOPEFULLY THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WILL BE RESPONSIVE. SO I JUST THINK GOOD GENERAL AWARENESS AND EDUCATION ABOUT THE CHANGES, I THINK COULD HELP IMPROVE THE PERCEPTION OF HOW DIFFICULT OR HOW EASIER WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE BUILDING HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY. COMMISSIONER PURDUE, THANK YOU. EXCITED TO SEE THIS COME BACK AFTER OUR CONVERSATION A FEW MONTHS AGO. SO I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE WINDOW WELLS AND JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PROPOSAL FOR ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURE. SO I THINK WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT BY RIGHT MEANS YOU, YOU KNOW, OBJECTIVELY, IF IT CHECKS THOSE BOXES, THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO SAY YES. AND SO YOU HAVE HESITATION THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO WRITE THE CODE IN THE WAY THAT WILL TRULY BE OBJECTIVE AND NOT NEED TO KIND OF HAVE THAT PERSONAL TOUCH. BUT WHEN I READ WHAT'S ON THIS SLIDE, YOU KNOW, THE WINDOW WILL SET BACK TO A MINIMUM OF ONE FOOT FROM ANY SIDE, MAKING SURE THERE'S NO OBSTRUCTED PATH. PROXIMITY TO ADJACENT STRUCTURES LIKE THOSE SEEM SPECIFIC ENOUGH TO GIVE FOLKS A FORMULA AND A GUIDELINE TO OBJECTIVELY SAY YES OR NO. DOES IT MEET THESE CRITERIA? YEAH. SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HOW I'M INTERPRETING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING CORRECTLY AND HOW YOU WILL RESPOND TO THAT. YEAH. SO I AGREE, I THINK IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT COULD BE OBJECTIVE INITIALLY. WHERE IT BECOMES FAR MORE COMPLICATED IS BASED ON WHERE THE EXISTING BUILDING IS PLACED, IS RELATIVE TO THE LOT LINE, AND WHETHER A SURVEY WOULD BE NEEDED, AND ALSO WHERE THE ADJACENT STRUCTURE IS PLACED RELATIVE TO THEIR LOT LINE. SO ESPECIALLY IN OUR TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS, WHERE WE HAVE TWO ADJACENT STRUCTURES THAT ARE REALLY CLOSE, HAVING MORE DETAILED INFORMATION LIKE A STRUCTURAL SOIL ENGINEERING REPORT AND A SURVEY WOULD NOT TYPICALLY BE INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD REQUEST AS PART OF OUR REVIEW, BECAUSE THEY'RE EXPENSIVE. AND IF THERE IS CLEARLY 50FT BETWEEN A STRUCTURE AND A LOT LINE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE WOULDN'T NEED TO ASK FOR A SURVEY. AND SO IT GIVES US THAT OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE EXISTING LOT AND THE CLOSEST ADJACENT LOT, AND DETERMINING WHETHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS NEEDED. AND THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION COMES SOLELY IN THE FORM OF THE SURVEY THAT YOU MENTIONED. OR ARE THERE OTHER COST EFFECTIVE OPTIONS FOR FOLKS? A SURVEY WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY FOR US TO DETERMINE EXACT PLACEMENT OF A STRUCTURE TO A LOT LINE. RIGHT? I'M THINKING ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT I VISITED A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND IT IS IN A DENSER NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU CAN KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE LOT LINE IS BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO BUILD RIGHT UP TO IT ON WHATEVER YEAR. AND THEN THIS HOUSE IS BUILT. THEY ACTUALLY DO HAVE THE WINDOW. WELL, I MEAN, YOU CAN TAKE OUT A RULER, RIGHT? AND JUST SEE HOW FAR IT IS FROM THE HOUSE TO, TO THE LOT LINE THAT, THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF. SO IN A CASE LIKE THAT, TELL ME HOW YOU IMAGINE THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THIS ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTURE PROCESS. WELL, THE RULER WOULD NOT YOU WOULDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT LOT LINE IS WITHOUT A SURVEY, AND ALSO WHERE THE ADJACENT STRUCTURE IS. AND SO THEY ALREADY HAVE ONE ON FILE, LIKE IF THEY ALREADY IF THEY DO KNOW THE LOT LINE. SURE. IF THERE'S ONE ON FILE, WE WOULD OF COURSE LOOK FOR THAT FIRST AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T ASK SOMEBODY TO REPRODUCE A SURVEY THAT WAS ALREADY PAID FOR. BUT THEN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THROUGH THEIR REVIEW, AND ALSO FOR US WOULD THEN REQUIRE, I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF IT, BUT WHERE WE EVALUATE THE SOILS AND THE STRUCTURE FOR MAKING SURE THAT THE DIGGING OUT FOR THE WINDOW WELL DOES NOT UNDERMINE THE FOUNDATION OF THE ADJACENT STRUCTURE. AND WE WOULD NEED A SOIL STRUCTURE REPORT TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE THAT INFORMATION. AND SOME OF THAT, ALTHOUGH I MENTIONED THAT THAT'S A BUILDING DEPARTMENT REVIEW, WE DO WORK REALLY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MINIMIZE CONFLICTS BETWEEN CODES SO THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ONE THING. AND ANOTHER CODE OF THE CITY IS ASKING FOR ANOTHER. SO SOMETIMES THERE IS REDUNDANCY THAT WAS ACTUALLY RAISED BY ONE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. 
          IS THAT WHY ARE WE SAYING IT HERE IF IT'S OVER THERE? OFTENTIMES THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TENDS TO BE THAT FRONT LINE OF AN INQUIRY. AND SO HAVING EVEN IF IT'S REDUNDANT, A 
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LIST OF INFORMATION THAT'S NEEDED, WE FIND TO BE HELPFUL. THANK YOU. THAT BREAKDOWN IS REALLY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU. I DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME QUESTION, BUT I DID JUST WANT TO OFFER. A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, I HAD A CONSTITUENT WHO HAD REACHED OUT, WANTED TO SEE ABOUT A SURVEY. THEY WERE HAVING SOME ISSUES. AND THEN MR. COULSON'S OFFICE. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU GUYS WILL OFTENTIMES GRAB SURVEYS IF PEOPLE SHARE THEM. THIS PERSON WAS ABLE TO GET IT FROM THEIR REALTOR. SO I JUST HAD THAT EXPERIENCE OF YOUR OFFICE HELPING OUT WITH THAT. SO THERE WASN'T THAT INCURRED COST. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE FOR ME, I THINK THAT I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO A FEW. PAST BZA MEMBERS I LIVE WITH ONE ABOUT THIS ITEM AND JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT MORE. YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE BALANCE WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO US AND THE CHANGES WITH THE MASTER PLAN, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, FOCUSED ON SAFETY AND SECURITY. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WHEN I THINK ABOUT THESE PIECES, I THINK I GOT SOME GOOD FEEDBACK. SO I'M, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE I'M PREPARED TO SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION AS IS AND ACCEPT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS. FIRST OF ALL, I WAS REALLY HAPPY THAT THE COMMISSION, THIS BODY SENT THIS BACK TO PLANNING BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE TO, AS WE LOOK AT ZONING, ALWAYS ASK OURSELVES, JUST LIKE WE DO WITH ANY GOVERNMENTAL ACTION, WHAT'S OUR JUSTIFICATION FOR MESSING IN PEOPLE'S LIVES? I MEAN, THAT'S TRUE OF ANY LAW. YOU'RE RIGHT. LIKE, WHY DO WE NEED THIS? AND I THINK THAT THEMATICALLY ACROSS THE CONTINENT, WITH, WITH OUR, OUR REAL HOUSING CRISIS, WHICH IS CONTINENT WIDE, LOTS OF FORWARD LOOKING CITIES ARE SAYING, WELL, IF YOU GET RID OF BARRIERS TO BUILDING YOU LOWER COST OF CONSTRUCTION, YOU LOWER HOUSING COSTS, YOU YOU GET US TOWARDS THE THINGS WE WANT TO GET. AND SO THE IDEA OF DOING THINGS OF RIGHT IS I HOPE A CONVERSATION WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE. AND BUT I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU, KRISTEN AND STAFF FOR COMING UP AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR COMING UP WITH A REASONED RESPONSE TO THIS. I THINK IT WAS VERY HELPFUL, AND I THINK THOSE POINTS ARE WELL MADE. NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, AND I'M MOSTLY COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, I WILL SAY OFTEN IN MY PREVIOUS LIFE IN THE LEGISLATURE, I WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, A SOMEONE COME IN AND PROPOSE A NEW LAW. AND I'D SAY, WELL, THAT LAW MIGHT ALLOW YOU TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE SOMEBODY A FELONY IF THEY RAISE THEIR HAND AND THEY AND THEN THE ANSWER OFTEN WOULD BE, WELL, A GOOD PROSECUTOR WOULD NEVER DO THAT. 
          I'M LIKE, WELL, IT'S OUR JOB TO WRITE LAWS THAT CAN GET ENFORCED AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN'T BE ENFORCED BADLY. SO IF THAT COULD HAPPEN, IT'S THE JOB OF THE LEGISLATIVE BODY TO WRITE THE LAW CLEARLY. SO THAT'S A LONG WAY OF SAYING, THIS IS NOT ME SAYING PLANNING IS AN EVIL BODY, OR THAT, YOU KNOW YOUR OFFICES IS MALICIOUS. I GET ITCHY ALWAYS, THOUGH, WITH VERY BROAD LANGUAGE THAT LETS YOU SAY NO. SO POINT NUMBER ONE, THERE IS IT IS DEMONSTRATED THAT NO OTHER FEASIBLE LOCATION IS PRACTICAL. WELL, THAT'S DEMONSTRATING AND IT'S FEASIBLE AND IT'S PRACTICAL. THOSE ARE ALL WORDS YOU COULD DRIVE THE TITANIC THROUGH. SO IF YOU KNOW THERE WAS ANOTHER LOCATION FOR A WINDOW, WELL, THAT COST $30,000, WELL, YOU COULD DO IT. IT'S A PRACTICAL THING. YOU COULD DO. ONE PERSON'S PRACTICAL MIGHT BE ANOTHER PERSON'S NOT AFFORDABLE. 
          AND SO PUTTING A I DON'T LIKE SUB POINT NUMBER ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE PEOPLE COME IN ON WINDOW WALLS AND BE LIKE, OH RIGHT, I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT ONE FOOT SETBACK THING. I HAVE TO MAKE SURE NO ONE'S GOING TO TRIP AND FALL DOWN THIS THING. I HAVE TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT GOING TO THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR IS NOT GOING TO COLLAPSE, BECAUSE I DID THIS, AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO WALK AROUND THE HOUSE. THOSE ALL MAKE SENSE. MY HESITATION IS THAT, YOU KNOW, A NOT COOPERATIVE AND NOT HELPFUL READER OF THIS OF SUB. ONE COULD JUST SAY NO TO ANY ALTERNATIVE WINDOW. WELL BY SAYING, WELL YOU COULD DO IT OVER HERE. AND THAT'S PRACTICAL. AND THEN THE PERSON SAYS, WELL, IT MAKES MY WHOLE PROJECT COST 20% MORE. AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, IT'S STILL PRACTICAL. YOU CAN STILL DO IT. SO FEASIBLE LOCATION. I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO ALMOST ALWAYS FIND THERE'S A FEASIBLE LOCATION AROUND A BUILDING WHERE YOU COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING ELSE. 
          AND SO I DON'T WANT TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION IN HERE THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY COULD DESTROY THE WORK WE'RE TRYING TO DO. SO I APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT, BUT I THINK THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE OFTEN CREEPS INTO ORDINANCES. SO LIKE IF WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT TWO, THREE, FOUR AND FIVE, THEN 
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LET'S JUST MAKE TWO, THREE AND FOUR AND FIVE. THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ONE ADDS TO IT. SO I JUST WANT TO LAY THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE WE I THINK I'M PREPARED TO MOVE THE, THE HEARING FORWARD AND TAKE THE ACTION RIGHT NOW ON THIS RESOLUTION WHEN THIS COMES BACK TO US. FRANKLY, I WOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE VOTING FOR THIS CHANGE WITH SUB ONE IN THERE. 
          THE MOTION ISN'T FOR HEARING IS TO SET A DATE TO VOTE, I BELIEVE. RIGHT. I GUESS WHAT I MEANT WAS WE'RE NOT VOTING IT OUT TODAY. WE'RE SETTING WE'RE SETTING A DATE. SO THIS ISN'T OUR FINAL ACTION ON THIS. SO I AM INTERESTED. I WOULD LIKE TO I THINK SOME OF THE POINTS YOU RAISED AROUND D ONE IS INTERESTING. SOE, YOU KNOW, THEN IS ARE WE GOING TO MAKE IT? NUMBER ONE COULD MEAN WE ALWAYS END UP WITH THREE FOOT SETBACKS ON ALL WINDOW WELLS, BECAUSE YOU JUST NUMBER ONE IS INVOKED, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY BUILDINGS THERE ARE GOING TO BE AROUND WHERE YOU CAN'T PUT A WINDOW WELL, THREE FEET AWAY FROM LOT LINE SOMEWHERE. I MEAN, YOU COULD CERTAINLY DO IT IN MY BACKYARD. YOU CAN'T DO IT ON ONE OF THE SIDES OF MY HOUSE. BUT YOU COULD ANYWAY. THAT'S THAT'S MY POINT. WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE THAT TODAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE POINT. I, I WOULD BE, I WOULD BE I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR ESSENTIALLY ELIMINATING NUMBER ONE AND PASSING THIS. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE UP TO RIGHT NOW. SO THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR THE DISCUSSION. SO WE HAVE A RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF US. DID WE GET A MOTION AND SUPPORT FOR THE RESOLUTION? OKAY. WE PREPARED TO ANY OTHER COMMENTS. OTHERWISE ALL IN FAVOR OF SETTING THE DATE SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. THANK YOU. SO, MAYOR, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. 
          SO WHEN WE BRING THIS BACK ON THE 29TH, IT WILL READ EXACTLY AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND IF THERE ARE AMENDMENTS, THEN WE CAN BE PREPARED TO ADJUST THINGS LIKE THE CONTENTION IS AROUND REMOVING ONE ITEM AND NOT ADDING ANYTHING ELSE. IS WHAT I'M HEARING CORRECT, AND THAT I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM WITH PLANNING DIRECTOR THAT ONE CHANGE WOULD NOT REQUIRE A REVISIT OF THIS ITEM BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I DON'T BELIEVE SO. THEY'VE DELIBERATED ON THE LANGUAGE TWICE NOW, AND CITY COMMISSION COULD HAVE THE DISCRETION TO MODIFY IT WITHIN REASON, AND THAT SEEMS REASONABLE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THAT BRINGS US 
          [8. Motion to go into closed session.]
TO UPDATE ON THE CLOSED SESSION. OH, OKAY. I'M BEING TOLD FIRST WE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT IMMEDIATELY AFTER THIS PUBLIC HEARING, WE MOVE INTO CLOSED SESSION FOR CONSIDERATION OF PENDING LITIGATION. AND CITY CLERK I BELIEVE THAT'S A ROLL CALL VOTE. SO MOTION FIRST GOT THAT, COMMISSIONER KILGORE. YES, COMMISSIONER. KNIGHT. YES. MR. ROBBINS. YES. MR. YES. MR. PERDUE. YES, COMMISSIONER. YES. MAYOR. LAGRANGE. YES. THAT BRINGS US TO. UPDATE ON THE 
          [1. Update on Climate Action and Adaptation Plan and Next Steps]
CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND NEXT STEPS. THANK YOU. MAYOR. GOOD MORNING. COMMISSION ANNABELLE WILKINSON, CHIEF SUSTAINABILITY OFFICER, WILL BE PROVIDING AN UPDATE ON THE CLIMATE ACTION ADAPTATION PLAN, AS WELL AS HOSTING A DISCUSSION ON THE NEXT STEPS. FOR THE PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO BE PROVIDING A VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE CLIMATE PLAN, A LOOK AT WHAT THE COMMISSION PRIORITIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED FOR THE MAY 13TH COMMISSION PRIORITIZATION WORKSHOP FROM THE ACTIONS, SOME ADDITIONAL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THOSE PRIORITIES, UPDATES ON THE PLAN ITSELF, AS WELL AS THOSE NEXT STEP OPTIONS. SO AGAIN, JUST BRIEFLY, THE CLIMATE ACTION ADAPTATION PLAN. HELLO. OKAY. THERE WE GO IS A ROADMAP FOR HOW THE COMMUNITY OF GRAND RAPIDS WILL REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND PREPARE FOR THE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE TO MEET OUR COMMUNITY WIDE, SCIENCE BASED TARGETS. 62.8% PER CAPITA GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION COMMUNITY WIDE BY 2030 FROM OUR 2019 EMISSIONS, AND 100% PER CAPITA BY 2050. AND AGAIN, THE CITY IS COMMITTED TO WORKING TOWARDS THOSE COMMUNITY WIDE SCIENCE BASED TARGETS. BUT ACHIEVING THOSE TARGETS WILL ONLY BE MADE POSSIBLE WITH COMMUNITY BUY IN AND ACTION. WHY WE CREATED A CLIMATE PLAN WAS TO MEET GLOBAL, REGIONAL AND LOCAL CLIMATE COMMITMENTS. SO WORKING TOWARDS THE 2015 PARIS CLIMATE AGREEMENT, WORKING TOWARDS THE STATE OF MICHIGAN'S MICHIGAN HEALTHY CLIMATE PLAN THAT LAYS OUT A PATHWAY FOR MICHIGAN TO REACH 100% CARBON NEUTRALITY BY 2050, AS WELL AS LOCAL COMMITMENTS FROM OUR 2021 CITY COMMISSION RESOLUTION AND OBJECTIVES IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, OVER 1600 PEOPLE WERE ENGAGED DURING THE CLIMATE PLANNING PROCESS ACROSS A VARIETY OF FORMATS. WORK WAS ALSO INCORPORATED FROM THE COMMUNITY MASTER PLANNING PROCESS, SPECIFICALLY THE SECOND ROUND OF ENGAGEMENT, WHICH INCLUDED OVER 1800 PARTICIPANTS AND HELD WORKSHOPS ON THE TOPICS OF CLIMATE MITIGATION, ADAPTATION AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE. SO THE RESULTS FROM THE MAY 13TH COMMISSION CLIMATE PLAN PRIORITIZATION SESSION OF THE 197 ACTIONS IN THE PLAN BROUGHT FORTH 14 THAT ROSE TO THE TOP AS PRIORITIES. SO THE FIRST, WITH 6 OR 7 SUPPORTING COMMISSIONERS, WAS THE FOOD SYSTEM STRATEGY ONE ACTION, ONE LOOKING TO ADOPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE URBAN AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE TO REDUCE BARRIERS IN THE CODE TO GREENHOUSES AND HOOP HOUSES. SECOND WAS WITH FIVE OF SEVEN SUPPORTING COMMISSIONERS. 
          RESIDENTIAL HOME STRATEGY FIVE ACTION TWO ASSESSING AND REDUCING BARRIERS TO INNOVATIVE HOUSING SOLUTIONS, BOTH OF WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN OUR COMMUNITY MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. THE 
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NEXT SIX ACTIONS HAD FOUR OF SEVEN COMMISSIONERS SUPPORT. THEY INCLUDE INSTALLING AND EXPANDING SEPARATED AND PROTECTED BIKE LANES AND SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE, HELPING BUILDING STAKEHOLDERS, ESPECIALLY SMALL AND MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES, ACCESS FUNDING AND FINANCING TO IMPLEMENT ENERGY PROJECTS. PURSUING ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE URBAN AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE TO REDUCE BARRIERS TO BACKYARD LIVESTOCK AND EDIBLE TREES AND SHRUBS. 
          PRIORITIZING NEIGHBORHOODS WITH A LOW TREE EQUITY SCORE FOR TREE PLANTINGS AND HABITAT RESTORATION, REVIEWING ORDINANCE LANGUAGE AND IDENTIFYING OPPORTUNITIES TO REDUCE BARRIERS TO COMPOSTING, AND PURSUING AN UPDATE TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE NATIVE AND NATIVE ADAPTED PLANTINGS. THE REMAINING SIX PRIORITIES, THREE OF SEVEN COMMISSIONERS SUPPORTED, AND THOSE INCLUDED LEVERAGING FUNDING SOURCES LIKE LOCAL GREEN BANKS AND ON BILL FINANCING TO EXPAND ACCESS TO FINANCING FOR ON SITE RENEWABLE ENERGY AND OTHER LOW TO NO EMISSION ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES. EXPLORING TOOLS AND STRATEGIES FOR PROTECTING RESIDENTS AT RISK OF DISPLACEMENT, INCREASING PUBLIC ACCESS TO COMPOSTING. PARTNERING WITH VICINITY ENERGY TO CONTINUE TO IMPLEMENT EFFICIENCY PROJECTS AND PURSUE ELECTRIFICATION OF THE STEAM DISTRICT. EXPANDING AND PROMOTING THE EV CARSHARE PILOT PROGRAM, AND PURSUING A PILOT PROGRAM TO UTILIZE FOOD, SCRAP, MULCH AND WOOD WASTE IN THE CREATION OF COMPOST, SOIL AND BIOCHAR. STAFF PROVIDED AN ADDITIONAL SIX RECOMMENDATIONS TO ROUND OUT TO A TOP 20, AND THOSE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOCUS ON BALANCING OUT THE COMMISSION PRIORITIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED WITH THE ANALYSIS FROM THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS INVENTORY AND THE CLIMATE RISK AND VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT. THE FIRST THREE ACTIONS FOCUS AROUND THE ENERGY SYSTEMS CHAPTER, THE FIRST PARTNERING WITH ENERGY UTILITIES THAT SERVE THE COMMUNITY TO ENHANCE ACCESS TO AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE, SUCH AS REBATES, AS WELL AS WORKING WITH UTILITIES ON THEIR COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR CLEAN ENERGY COMMITMENTS. NEXT IS CONTINUING TO ADVOCATE FOR FEDERAL AND STATE AND LEGISLATION THAT KEEPS GOVERNMENT AT THE FOREFRONT OF A SUSTAINABLE ENERGY SYSTEMS. THIS WOULD INCLUDE WORK LIKE ADVOCATING FOR COMMUNITY SOLAR AT THE STATE LEVEL, AND LASTLY, IDENTIFYING AND SUPPORTING ACTIVE COMMUNITY HUBS TO TRANSITION TO RESILIENCE HUBS, PRIORITIZING NEIGHBORHOODS OF FOCUS AND RESILIENCE HUBS ARE TRUSTED COMMUNITY FACILITIES THAT SUPPORT COMMUNITIES IN EVERYDAY LIFE, BUT ALSO BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER AN EMERGENCY. THE REMAINING THREE ACTIONS INCLUDE EXPLORING THE FEASIBILITY OF INNOVATIVE FINANCING SOLUTIONS, LIKE A GREEN REVOLVING FUND OR GREEN COST SHARE PROGRAM TO HELP RESIDENTS FINANCE HOME ENERGY UPDATES. ADDING NEW PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES THAT INCORPORATE ACCESSIBILITY AND ACCESS TO AND USE OF ACTUAL DATA, AND BUILDING DEVELOPMENT, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OPERATIONS DECISIONS. SO PARTNERING WITH UTILITIES ON HOW TO IMPROVE STREAMLINED ACCESS TO DATA AT THE BUILDING LEVEL, AS WELL AS EDUCATING SUPPORTING BUSINESSES AND ORGANIZATIONS WITH FREE RESOURCES THAT ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE IN COMMUNITY, LIKE THE GRAND RAPIDS 2030 DISTRICT PROGRAM, AS WELL AS THE LOW COST AUTOMATED BENCHMARKING SERVICE THAT THEY PROVIDE. SO OVER THE LAST TWO MONTHS, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON EDITING THE PLAN AS WELL AS MAKING ADJUSTMENTS. SPECIFICALLY, WE HAVE 44 MINOR TEXT ALTERATIONS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE CLIMATE PLAN. FOR CLARITY, THOSE CAN BE SEEN ON THE WEBSITE FOR THE CLIMATE PLAN. I'D SAY ONE OF THE MORE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES IS A TEXT CHANGE OF GOALS TO COMMUNITY GOALS, AGAIN, FOCUSING SIMILAR TO THAT COMMUNITY WIDE SCIENCE BASED TARGETS THAT TO REACH THOSE GOALS THAT WE ESTABLISHED IN THIS PLAN, WE NEED ALL OF COMMUNITY BUY IN TO WORK TOWARDS THOSE. FROM THERE, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO POTENTIAL OPTIONS FOR DISCUSSION. ESSENTIALLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COLLECTIVE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PLAN OR THE PRIORITIES THAT THE COMMISSION AS A WHOLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AS WELL AS A REVIEW OF THESE NEXT STEP OPTIONS BASED UPON COMMISSION FEEDBACK, WE'VE PROVIDED A FEW OPTIONS FOR CHOICE. OPTION ONE IS CLIMATE PLAN ADOPTION. SO ADOPTING THE PLAN WITH THE PRIORITIES AND UPDATES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED TODAY. OPTION TWO IS ADOPTING THE 20 PRIORITIES ESTABLISHED TODAY, AND OPTION THREE IS REVIEWING POTENTIAL ADOPTION OF THE CLIMATE PLAN. WITH IMPLEMENTATION ANALYSIS IS COMPLETED. SO THAT WOULD PROVIDE THE OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY A FEW MONTHS TO DETERMINE RESPONSIBLE PARTIES CLEARLY DELINEATING FOR ADOPTION WHAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY AND WHAT IS FOR EXTERNAL PARTNERSHIPS ASSESSING FUNDING COSTS, GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION REDUCTIONS AND CO-BENEFITS FOR ACTIONS WITH A CONSULTANT OVER THE NEXT THREE MONTHS, AND ESTABLISHING THE SHORT, MEDIUM AND LONG TERM TIMELINES FOR STRATEGIES AND ACTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. LOOKING FORWARD TO DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER. SORRY, COMMISSIONER KOGER. YEAH, SO I'M REALLY EXCITED THAT WE'RE THANK YOU, ANNABELLE, FOR YOUR SPOKESPERSON FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I'M PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT TALKING ABOUT THE CLIMATE ACTION ADAPTATION PLAN TODAY. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN MY LIFE'S WORK. I RECENTLY OF RECENT ALSO RECENTLY JOINED THE MICHIGAN ENVIRONMENTAL COUNCIL. SO DOING ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE WORK AT THE STATE LEVEL. IT WAS GREAT TO SEE OUR DIRECTOR OF SUSTAINABILITY AT AND A LOT OF COMMUNITY PARTNERS AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL LAW POLICY CENTERS GET TOGETHER OVER THE PAST WEEK. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW FIRSTHAND THAT WE REALLY NEED TO ACT ON CLIMATE NOW, NOT LATER. SO I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN DO A LITTLE MIXTURE OF THE OPTIONS HERE, WHICH IS I'M ASKING FOR THE 
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SUPPORT OF MY COLLEAGUES TODAY TO HAVE A RESOLUTION. IF THERE'S CONSENSUS, WE CAN HAVE A STAFF RESOLUTION THAT WILL FORMALLY RECOGNIZE THE FIRST 20 CAP INITIATIVES THAT WE PRIORITIZE. 
          14 OF THE 20 PRIORITIES WERE PULLED FROM OUR RECENT WORKSHOP. THESE WERE PULLED FROM THE FIRST 197 ACTIONS FROM THE CAP. AND BOTH HAD A STRONG BACKING, NOT JUST FROM THE COMMISSION, BUT FROM OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS. SO I THINK THAT HAVING A RESOLUTION FOR THESE FIRST 20 ACTIONS FURTHER WILL SHOW OUR COMMITMENT TO CLIMATE ACTION. AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE AGREED TO A TOTAL OF 20 ITEMS. SO THERE, AS WE JUST NOTED, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I WOULD REMIX THOSE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS A LITTLE BIT, BOTH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN COMMISSIONER STAFF HAVE CONTINUED TO MEET WITH COMMUNITY LEADERS LIKE THE GRAND RAPIDS CLIMATE COALITION AND THE COMMUNITY COLLABORATION ON CLIMATE CHANGE, ABOUT WHAT FOLKS WHO ARE DEEP INTO THIS WORK AND DO THIS DAY IN AND DAY OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, ALSO WANT TO SEE THE COMMON THEMES THAT WE'RE HEARING ARE CALLS FOR MORE TRANSPARENCY ON THE CLIMATE ACTIONS WE'RE TAKING, SAFER STREETS FOR PEDESTRIANS, AND SUPPORT FOR SOLAR ENERGY. SO IT'S A MIX OF BOTH THE SUPPORT FROM THE COMMISSION, CITY STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY. SO IF POSSIBLE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO INTRODUCE THE POSSIBLE SIX THAT WE COULD ADD AT THIS TIME AND SEE IF THERE'S A SUPPORT AND CONSENSUS FOR A RESOLUTION TO CONFIRM THOSE 20, AND THEN ALLOW FOR MORE REFINED REFINEMENT AND EDITING. SO IT WOULD BE A MIX OF BOTH OPTION TWO AND THREE. SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING CITY MANAGER GET A COMMISSION ON THE 20. 
          YEAH, BUT BUT OF THAT, 14 ARE THE ONES THAT MISS WILKINSON REFERENCED SPECIFICALLY FROM THE WORKSHOP. YES. I THINK WE SHOULD CERTAINLY ADOPT THOSE SINCE THERE WAS CONSENSUS AND BROAD SUPPORT ON THE COMMISSION FOR THOSE FIRST, AND THEN LOOK INTO EDITING THE ADDITIONAL SIX. 
          GREAT. SO WHY DON'T WE TALK ABOUT THE FIRST 14? SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE FIRST 14. 
          BUT GOING DOWN THE TABLE, COMMISSIONER BELCHER, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE FIRST 14. 
          COMMISSIONER PURDUE THANK YOU MAYOR, I AM I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK BEING DONE THUS FAR TO KIND OF GIVE US A STARTING POINT OF WHAT WE WILL PRIORITIZE. I AM HAPPY AND PLEASED WITH THE 20 THAT ARE AHEAD OF US OR THAT ARE BEFORE US. AND I AM READY TO ADOPT THIS PLAN AS SOON AS WE CAN, AS WELL AS PASS A RESOLUTION RECOGNIZING THOSE TOP 20 PRIORITIES. AND YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER KILGORE, I HEARD YOU MENTION LIKE SOLAR STREETS AND TRANSPARENCY ARE SOME OF THE CONTINUING THINGS THAT YOU'RE HEARING. AND AS I LOOK THROUGH THE TOP 20 THAT ARE BEFORE US, I SEE ALL OF THOSE REPRESENTED REPRESENTED NOT SO MUCH OF A DATA DASHBOARD THAT YOU TALK A LOT ABOUT EXPLICITLY CALLED OUT, BUT I THINK THAT'S ALREADY PART OF THE PLAN. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ALL ARE IN ALIGNMENT, AND I'M READY TO KIND OF PUSH THIS FORWARD AND LET STAFF FULLY OPERATIONALIZE WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US. OKAY. THE QUESTION WAS, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE FIRST 14? I ANSWER THAT, I SAID, I'M HAPPY WITH THE 20 THAT ARE BEFORE US TODAY. SO THAT INCLUDES THE 14 AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDED. SIX OKAY. SO YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE STAFF SIX AS THE NEXT AS THE FINAL, I'M READY TO MOVE AHEAD ON THE 20 PRIORITIES THAT ARE AHEAD OF US. 
          YES. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SASSY, I SUPPORT THE 14 THAT WE WORKSHOP. THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT ACTIVITY. 
          BUT YOU ASKED HER THE YOU ASKED COMMISSIONER PURDUE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ON THE SIX. I'M NOT. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THEM MORE OR SEE HOW THEY OVERLAY WITH OTHER PLANS THAT WE HAVE, I.E. OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT MR. COULSON JUST TALKED ABOUT. IF WE HAVE SOMETHING IN ANOTHER PART OF OUR CITY, WHY ARE WE WHY ARE WE PUTTING IT SOMEWHERE ELSE? BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE WE'VE SAID IT'S A PRIORITY. AND SO MAYBE IS THAT TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER? IS IT ABOUT COMMUNICATING IT OUT? I THINK BACK TO A PRESENTATION WE DID LAST YEAR, CITY MANAGER, WHERE WE HAD A WHOLE OVERVIEW OF ALL OF THE EFFORTS THAT WERE NOT JUST THE DEPARTMENT THAT YOU WERE A PART OF AT THAT TIME, BEFORE YOU HAD THIS NEW OPPORTUNITY, MISS WILKINSON. BUT REALLY, IT'S NOT JUST IT'S NOT JUST YOUR DEPARTMENT. AND I KNOW YOU BELIEVE THAT IT HAS TO BE EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY. AND SO WE HIGHLIGHTED WHAT THOSE WERE. INVESTMENTS WERE AND EVERY DEPARTMENT. SO I THINK FOR ME, I WOULD, I WOULD I NEED TO UNDERSTAND MORE OF THE SIX OR JUST ASK SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT LOGISTICS. BUT TO ME I WOULD AGREE THAT OPTION THREE, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS AFTER WE ADOPT THE PLAN. AND AT THE LAST MEETING WHERE WE REVIEWED THIS, I SAID, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF ADOPTING THE PLAN. AND THEN TO ME, JUST LIKE WE'VE HAD WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND MOBILE PLAN, JUST LIKE WE HAD WITH OUR COMMUNITY MASTER PLAN BICYCLE PLANS IN THE PAST, THAT'S WHEN 
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THAT WORK STARTS. BUT WE'RE SAYING THIS IS A PRIORITY. I THINK THE THINGS IN FRONT OF US, YOU KNOW, I SAW I REMEMBER IN 2020 WHEN WE SAID PUBLIC OR, YOU KNOW, CLIMATE CHANGE WAS A CRISIS. WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT RACISM AS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE. WE'VE SEEN THE THINGS THAT HAVE JUST HAPPENED OVER THESE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS ACROSS OUR COUNTRY. WE'VE SEEN THE AIR QUALITY STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ELEVATED. I KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE MISSED WORK OVER THESE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. SO I'M I'M MY PLAN IS OPTION ONE, BUT I'D LOVE TO UNDERSTAND THE SIX MORE SO I CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW WE EXECUTE THOSE INSIDE THE CITY. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO, COMMISSIONER ROBBINS, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE 14? THE ROUND? I FEEL OKAY ABOUT THE 14 THAT WE WORKSHOPPED. I THINK I JUST DON'T FEEL FULLY COMFORTABLE SUPPORTING THEM UNLESS I KNOW THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS. I THINK THAT'S THE PIECE THAT I NEED MORE COMFORTABILITY ON, IS KNOWING HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST TO WHOM. AND THEN ALSO, I THINK GOING OFF OF COMMISSIONER STACY'S POINT TWO, I THINK GOOD GOVERNANCE JUST INVOLVES NOT HAVING DUPLICITY IN VARIOUS PLANS OVERLAPPING. I THINK THAT THAT JUST KIND OF GETS US INTO IT FEELS LIKE IT CREATES JUST A WEB OF DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, BUREAUCRACY AND TAPE OVER CERTAIN THINGS. SO I PERSONALLY WOULD PREFER TO SEE THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY MENTIONED IN ANOTHER PLAN REMOVED ENTIRELY BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY DISCUSSED OR AGREED UPON. AND I ALSO WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE 14 UNTIL I KNOW THE FINANCIAL IMPACT, THE SIX STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ON. SO MY PREFERENCE AT THIS TIME, I THINK OPTION NUMBER THREE WOULD BE BEST JUST TO REVIEW POTENTIAL ADOPTION ONCE IMPLEMENTATION ANALYSIS COMPLETED, UNDERSTANDING SOME OF THOSE FINANCIAL PIECES AND HAVING SOME OF THE DUPLICATIVE ITEMS REMOVED. OKAY, IF I CAN ASK CLARIFICATION WHERE THE QUESTION IS, WHETHER WE SORT OF COMMIT OURSELVES TO THINKING ABOUT 20. AND I WAS TRYING TO MAKE THAT INTO SMALLER BITES. 
          THEN THERE'S THE QUESTION OF THE CAP ITSELF AND HOW WE DRAFT THAT. SO I THINK WE SORT OF HAVE I WAS TRYING TO BREAK IT INTO THREE BITES. SO THE FIRST BITE AT THE APPLE IS ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD SAY, YES, WE'RE INTERESTED IN PURSUING 20 THINGS, BUT OF THOSE, THESE 14 YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, WE'RE TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF THE COMMISSION HERE. SO THE CITY MANAGER KNOWS WHERE TO GO. SURE. 
          I GUESS I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ANSWERING THE QUESTION. I FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE ABOUT THE 14 THAT WE WORKSHOPPED, THE SIX OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. I DON'T NECESSARILY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH ALL OF THOSE, SO IF THAT'S A NO ON THE WHOLE 20, THEN MY ANSWER IS NO. NO. I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE 14. SO I GOT I GOT YOU ON THAT. OKAY. I THINK WHAT MAY BE CAUSING CONFUSION, WE HAVE THE SLIDE ON THE THREE OPTIONS. AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS THAT QUESTION BEFORE ON THAT SLIDE OR WHAT OTHER ADJUSTMENTS ARE THE PRIORITIES ARE AROUND THE 20 OR 14. SO I JUST WANTED TO OFFER THAT CLARITY. BUT COMMISSIONER KILGORE SUGGESTED THAT WE TAKE A 2020 ACTION ITEM. SO QUESTION IS WHERE DO WE GET 20 FROM. AND WE COULD JUST SAY, YEAH, LET'S USE THE SIX THE STAFF CAME UP WITH AND ADD THEM TO THE 14. OR WE COULD SAY LET'S GO. LET'S LOOK AT THOSE. FOR THOSE SIX, ASK A MIX OF WHAT DO WE ALL THINK? WHAT HAVE WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT HAVE WE HEARD FROM STAFF? SO COMMISSIONER KNIGHT. I AM REASONABLY COMFORTABLE WITH THE ONES THAT WE CAME UP WITH WHEN WE HAD OUR OUR MEETING IN PRIORITIZING, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SASSY AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER ROBBINS, IN MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM A FISCAL FISCAL PERSPECTIVE AND MAKING SURE WE KNOW WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM AND THAT WE'RE NOT DUPLICATING EFFORTS ACROSS THE CITY. IF SOMEBODY IS ALREADY WORKING ON THAT, THEN WHY WOULD WE? AND THAT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE OPERATING APPROPRIATELY AND FIGURING OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO THIS STUFF? BECAUSE IT'S ALL GOOD TO START IMPLEMENTING CHANGES AND THINGS AND SAYING WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT, THEN IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. SO I THINK I HEARD GENERAL, AT LEAST MAJORITY WILL TO GO FORWARD AND MOVE TOWARDS US SAYING WE'RE SUPPORTING THE THOSE 14. NOW THE QUESTION IS WILL THE OTHER SIX COME FROM. 
          AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON TODAY OR THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO THINK THIS IS A ROLLING THING, AND SO WE CAN COME UP WITH THOSE SIX AFTER FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          BUT COMMISSIONER KILGORE, YES, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE FIRST 14. AND THEN LET'S MAKE SURE WE GET COMMISSIONER BELICHICK AS WELL. YEAH COMMISSIONER BELICHICK YEAH WE DID I STARTED OFF THE ROUND I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE ALL DOING A LARGE BIG TALK. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE FIRST 14. AS I SAID IF SINCE OTHERS HAVE SHARED I'M LEANING TOWARDS OPTION THREE. AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE IDEA OF A RESOLUTION TO ADOPT 20 AS WELL. I THINK THAT A GOOD PLAN INCLUDES TIMELINES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND WHO'S DOING WHAT. SO THAT'S PART OF THE WHOLE PROCESS. GREAT. OKAY, SO I THINK WE GOT SOME MOVEMENT ON 14 OF THE 20. WHAT DO YOU THINK 
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MAYOR? OH I, I THINK WE SHOULD ADOPT THE FIRST 14 I THINK THAT'S EASY. I THINK THAT AS FAR AS THE EASY FOR ME AT LEAST, BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT I MEAN, YOUR POINT ABOUT THE URGENCY OF THE NOW, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WE SPEND ON SOMETHING. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO DO A CAR SHARE PROGRAM. WE DO ONE CAR, WE GET A THOUSAND CARS. BUT LIKE THE IDEA OF A CAR SHARE PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, AS AN EXAMPLE. SO SOME OF THESE THINGS WILL SCALE DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. BUT I DO THINK SOME THINGS WE CAN DO NOW AND THERE'S SOMETHING WE GOT PRETTY BROAD NOT PERFECT CONSENSUS ON, BUT PRETTY BROAD THEMATIC SUPPORT FOR AND ALSO IT'S WORTH POINTING OUT THAT THE FACT THAT THOSE 14 KIND OF WERE CREAMED, THE ROSE TO THE TOP. WE ALL CAME TO THAT, TO THAT WORKSHOP WITH THAT LITTLE CHAOTIC SHARK TANK, SUDDEN DEATH OVERTIME, WHATEVER THAT WAS WORKSHOP. AND THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MY TOP, MAYBE MY TOP 21 OF THEM DIDN'T GET IN THERE, DIDN'T MEAN I DIDN'T I OPPOSED SOMETHING THAT ONLY GOT THREE VOTES. SO GLAD TO HAVE THAT. I THINK THE NEXT QUESTION FOR THE SIX, HONESTLY, GIVEN THAT THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, I THINK THAT WE SHOULDN'T JUST SAY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ONLY SOURCE FOR THOSE SIX. I THINK THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS GREAT. IT'S A RESOURCE. THIS IS WHAT MISS WILKINSON DOES FOR A LIVING, YOU KNOW. BUT I ALSO THINK WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF COMMUNITY PARTNERS WHO REALLY PUT A LOT OF BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS INTO THIS. AND SO I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO REALLY DEEPLY HEAR AND CONSIDER AND I JUST I THINK SOME OF YOU MAY NOT HAVE GOTTEN IT, BUT THERE HAS BEEN SOME INPUT PROPOSED FROM C4 AND FROM CLIMATE COALITION ON WHAT SHOULD GO INTO THAT BASKET OF 20. I ALSO THINK THERE MAY BE CONSENSUS ON THIS YET, BUT MY DREAM FOR THIS 20 IS IT'S A FILLABLE BASKET. SO LET'S SAY WE, FOR EXAMPLE, DID HOOP BUILDINGS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE FIRST 21 THAT'S DONE. THEN WE CAN BE LIKE, ALL RIGHT, IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE TO PUT INTO THE 20? SO I THINK THE IDEA OF THE 20 IS GREAT BECAUSE IT PRIORITIZES US. IT FOCUSES US. 20 IS A BIG LIST, BUT IT'S NOT A LIST THAT'S GOING TO MAKE YOU SORT OF QUIT. IT'S A MARATHON, BUT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SCALED EVEREST BECAUSE IF I, IF I WERE ASKED TO SCALE EVEREST THIS AFTERNOON, I'D FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO. THE I'D FIND AN EXCUSE. SO I THINK THE I THINK THE 14 AND THE 20 ARE GREAT. WE MAY NOT BE AT A POINT WHERE WE CAN COME UP WITH THE 20, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONER KILGORE, YOU HAD ANY IDEAS THAT YOU WOULD COME UP WITH FOR, FOR THOSE SIX. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT TIME NOW, GIVEN OUR CONSTRAINTS TO GET INTO THAT. I THINK MAYBE THAT JUST MEANS WE HAVE TO DO SOME PONDERING, LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY, MAKE SURE WE'VE ALL GOT THOSE INPUTS FROM THOSE COMMUNITY PARTNERS. AND AGAIN, I THINK CREAM WILL RISE TO THE TOP FOR THOSE NEXT SIX. THEN THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE CAP THING? AND I THINK WE CAN MOVE TO THAT QUESTION NEXT. BUT IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SPEAK TO THE 20, WHETHER OR NOT WE DO THE 20, I JUST HAD A PROCESS THOUGHT MAYOR. YEAH. ONE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AND I WANT TO RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE AND NOT JUST LIKE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE. SO I SEE A FEW FOLKS, JANET WESLEY FROM C4 SINAI, THAT HAVE HAVE BEEN PART OF THIS WORK WITH C4 AND ALSO THIS ACTION. I THINK FOR ME, THAT'S KIND OF WHY I'M GOING TO OPTION ONE, BECAUSE THEY HAD DONE THAT WORK. AND SO TO ME, THEY DID THAT WORK. IT PRESENTED TO US AND THEN THIS PRIORITIZATION. SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THAT. BUT THEN I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, THIS STAFF RECOMMENDATION, TO YOUR POINT. YOU KNOW, WE HAD NOT DISCUSSED THAT. BUT OBVIOUSLY, I KNOW STAFF IS VERY ACTIVELY INVOLVED WITH PEOPLE WITH C4 AND OTHER GROUPS TOO. SO I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO SHARE, LIKE TO YOUR POINT, MAYBE NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT KIND OF LIKE WE DO IN THE BUDGET PROCESS. CITY MANAGER, IF WE DO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SIX, COULD WE SHARE THOSE? SO WE GET THOSE ANSWERED. SO THEN I KNOW THAT WOULD HELP ME FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE OF YES, IT'S IN LEGISLATIVE AGENDA. AND ACTUALLY PUTTING IT THERE MEANS IT'S AN ACTIVE ITEM RIGHT NOW. SO WOULDN'T ACTUALLY NEED IMPLEMENTATION. WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL SUPPORTING THAT. AND THEN YOU KNOW, SOME OF LIKE THE TO ME ALSO ACTION FIVE T THE ONE ABOUT PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES KIND OF ALSO GOES ALONG WITH SOME OF THE OTHER PIECES THAT WE SAID, I KNOW, I KNOW THAT MANY OF US SAT AROUND INVESTMENT BECAUSE TO ME, IF YOU'RE GOING TO INVEST IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU PROBABLY ALSO NEED TO INVEST IN THOSE AMENITIES. SO MAYBE SOME OF THAT IS I FEEL LIKE THAT'S AN ASSUMPTION. AND SO THEN I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. BUT IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO THAT FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT TO PROPOSE SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE SIX. SO THEN YOU ALL CAN REVIEW, JUST LIKE MCLAREN DOES FROM A FROM AN AUDIT STANDPOINT AND THEN CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, HERE ARE THESE THINGS. AND SO THEN WE CAN BE PREPARED FOR THIS TO COME BACK FOR ONE OF THOSE THREE OPTIONS FOR I DON'T KNOW. SO YEAH, I GUESS I THINK IF THERE'S WELL OKAY. SO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I THINK IT'S WORTH THE FIRST THE 
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TOP 20, I THINK I REALLY THINK IT'S WORTH DOING. AND I THINK IT'S WORTH DOING BECAUSE WE CAN SAY IT NOW. WE CAN DO A RESOLUTION WHENEVER IT'S APPROPRIATE. BUT THEN THERE'S NO EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY KNOWS, LIKE, OKAY, LET'S GO DO THESE THINGS. I THINK PERSONALLY THAT THAT ACTUALLY MAKES OPTION THREE THE MOST ATTRACTIVE OF THOSE THREE OPTIONS. BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING ON 20 THINGS, THEN THE QUESTION IS, CAN WE MAKE A CAP PLAN THAT IS REALLY SOLID, THAT IS REALLY THAT REALLY DOES SOME DOES THE THING ARTICULATES A LITTLE BETTER THAN I THINK THE DRAFT WE HAD DID. AND MY CONCERN THAT I'VE STATED RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING WAS THERE ARE THINGS THE GOVERNMENT CAN DO. SO IF WE LOOK AT OUR COMMUNITY MASTER PLAN, IT'S LARGELY FOCUSED ON ZONING. ZONING IS A GOVERNMENT THING. IT DOESN'T SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE MORE VEGETABLES IN OUR GROCERY STORES BECAUSE WE DON'T RUN GROCERY STORES. I THINK THE DRAFT OF THE CAP, FOR GOOD OR ILL, HAD A LOT OF LANE MIXING. SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO. AND THEN THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE HOPE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY DO WELL. IF I ADOPT SOMETHING THAT WHERE THAT I DON'T HAVE POWER TO IMPLEMENT, THAT STRIKES ME AS A PROCESS ERROR. SO I DON'T HAVE I AM PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE WITH A CAP PLAN WHICH SAID PERHAPS AN APPENDIX. HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE THINK OUGHT TO HAPPEN IN THE COMMUNITY. WE THINK THE COMMUNITY OUGHT TO DO THIS, THIS AND THIS, AND IT'D BE GREAT. AND IT WOULD HELP US GET TOWARDS TOWARDS OUR GOALS AND THE PARIS CLIMATE NUMBERS AND ALL THAT STUFF. BUT THE BODY OF THE DOCUMENT IS WHAT SHOULD THE CITY DO? AND IF THE BODY OF THE DOCUMENT AS IT'S DRAFTED, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS DOCUMENT DOES THAT. AND SO I WOULD LIKE THE 90 DAYS TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO LANES. THERE'S WHAT DOES THE CITY DO, WHAT DO WE HOPE THE COMMUNITY DOES. AND A DOCUMENT THAT REALLY CLEARLY HAD THOSE LANES SEPARATE, I WOULD BE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH BECAUSE IF I'M ADOPTING, I COULD ADOPT A RESOLUTION THAT DREW SHAVE HIS HEAD. BUT LIKE, I DON'T HAVE THAT POWER TO MAKE HIM DO THAT. SO THAT WOULD BE A WEIRD THING FOR ME TO DO AS A, AS A MAYOR, RIGHT? LIKE, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO IMPLEMENT, WHEREAS I DO HAVE THE POWER TO IMPLEMENT THE, THE 20 THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND WE DO HAVE THE POWER TO ADOPT A WHOLE BUNCH MORE THINGS THAN THOSE 197, BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE ARE THINGS THE CITY CAN DO. AND THEN THEN THE COMMUNITY CAN HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE AND SAY, HEY, YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO DO SOLAR PANELS ON CITY ROOFS. WHERE ARE THEY? YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO AMEND THE YOU WERE GOING TO CHANGE THE LAWS FOR COMPOSTING. WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE THAT? WHEREAS IF WE SAY WE WOULD LIKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO X, WELL, WE DON'T CONTROL THEM. MAYOR. SO IF I CAN, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF CLARITY FOR THE STAFF, JUST BE VERY CLEAR. WE DID THE WORKSHOP BACK IN MAY. WE SENT AT LEAST A STAFF'S ASSESSMENT OF THE ADDITIONAL SIX LAST WEEK. YOU YOU'VE ALL HAD THEM FOR A FEW DAYS. WHAT I'M HEARING TODAY, THERE'S CONSENSUS AROUND THE 14 OF THE SIX. WHILE SOME ARE PREPARED TO SUPPORT ALL OF THEM. I'VE ONLY HEARD A COUPLE OBJECTIONS TO THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA AND THE PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES. SO IS THERE A CONSENSUS AROUND FOUR OF THE SIX? AND WE'RE I'M TRYING TO. YEAH. AND HERE'S WHERE I AM AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT LET'S ASK AROUND THE HORN. BUT WHERE I AM IS THE 14 SEEM CLEAR TO ME. BUT I REALLY, REALLY WANT TO HONOR THE COMMUNITY WORK. AND SO IT'S GREAT THAT WE HAVE A SIX STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT I DON'T WANT TO SAY, OH, LET'S ADOPT THREE OF THOSE SIX STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND NOT LOOK AT THE INPUT OF C4 CLIMATE COALITION. YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBER WHO'S ENGAGED IN ENVIRONMENTAL WORK. AND SO I WANT TO I WOULD PREFER TO SAY 14 GREAT, LET'S COME BACK. LET'S MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HEARD FROM THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS SO THAT THEY ARE HONORED AND THEN GO AHEAD WITH THE 20. SO COMMISSIONER KILGORE. LET'S LET'S HEAR AROUND THE HORN. ARE YOU OKAY WITH 14 AND SIX NEXT. OR DO YOU WANT TO LIKE PICK SIX NOW I'M OKAY WITH STAYING ON THE 14 FOR NOW. AND LISTENING TO COMMUNITY PARTNERS AS WELL. STAFF COMING BACK TO REVISIT THE ADDITIONAL SIX. I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW. GREAT. COMMISSIONER NIGHT. YEAH. 
          COMMISSIONER ROBINSON YES, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT TOO. I GUESS MY ONE QUESTION IS JUST AT WHAT POINT WILL WE GET SOME INFORMATION ON, LIKE THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF THE 14? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S STILL AN IMPORTANT PIECE TO ME, BUT I DO. I THINK THE 14 I FEEL OKAY ABOUT ABOUT THOSE AND THANK YOU. OKAY, SO JUST TO WRAP THIS UP THEN, COMMISSIONER SASSY, I'M REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS CONVERSATION. I'LL JUST BE HONEST. I KIND OF FEEL LIKE THIS IS A REPEAT OF WHERE WE WERE AT AT THAT LAST MEETING. WHERE'S ANDREA LIKE THIS? I MEAN, I'M BEING I'M NOT EVEN BEING FUNNY. SO AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, WE SAY THE CITY WILL ACT AS A LEADER FOR THIS WORK BY MODELING EMISSION REDUCTIONS, IMPLEMENT ACTIONS, ACTING AS A CONVENER, AND ADVOCATE LEGISLATIVE AND REGULATORY CHANGES THERE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE 
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ASSUMPTION WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO PAY FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS. LIKE, I GUESS THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT, AND THAT'S WHY I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY WE WOULDN'T GO WITH OPTION ONE, BECAUSE I GET WHAT YOU'RE I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WE HAVE A WE HAVE A BUDGET, WHICH IS A DEFINING DOCUMENT OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUR ACTIVITIES, WHICH WE DO EVERY YEAR. BUT THIS THOUGHT OF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME COSTS THAT WE'RE NOT EXPECTED. I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHY WE DID THE 14 AT THE LAST MEETING, BECAUSE WE ALL SAID, OKAY, WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH SOME THINGS. MOSTLY IT'S TYPICALLY OUR STAFF TIME, CONVENING TIME, MAYBE GOING TO DIFFERENT PIECES. AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'M STRUGGLING AT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE ON PAGE THREE WE SAY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY WE'RE NOT. AND I HATE TO SAY LIKE THAT, BUT FOOTING THE BILL FOR EVERYTHING BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE MORE POWER IN MODELING WHAT WE DO. AND ALSO AND I DO THINK CONVENING. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M STRUGGLING AT RIGHT NOW. AND THEN I'M ALSO NOT CLEAR OF I KNOW COMMISSIONER KILGORE, YOU PUT A YOU HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A MOTION OR IS THIS COMING BACK TO US ON AUGUST 12TH THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M. SO I WILL ADMIT I'M CONFUSED RIGHT NOW. I, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE. 
          YES, THERE'S TIMELINE AND THERE'S COST, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING IN THIS PLAN. MY BIGGEST CONCERN ON THE SIX, QUITE HONESTLY, IS WITH THE GREEN BANK, THE GREEN REVOLVING FUND, MOSTLY BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S OTHER MODELS OUT THERE THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD. LIKE MICHIGAN SAVES IS A REALLY POPULAR GREEN BANK THAT HAS GOTTEN A LOT OF SUPPORT IN THE STATE. SO BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CITY SETTING UP A REVOLVE. I MEAN, WE PROBABLY COULD, BUT THERE'S OTHER COSTS TO THAT. SO THOSE ARE WHERE SOME OF MY QUESTIONS ARE, IS IN THE NUANCE OF THIS. BUT THEN TO ME, THAT'S NOT REALLY FOR ME TO DO. THAT'S FOR US TO ADOPT. AND THEN THE STAFF TAKE IT AND THEN LIKE EXECUTE THESE PIECES. SO THAT'S I JUST HAVE TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST THAT I, I HESITATE TO SAY EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO YOUR ANSWER, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF THINGS AROUND THIS, NOT YOU. MISS WILKINSON, I'M NOT CONFUSED BY WHAT YOU'VE SHARED, BUT IN THIS BODY OF LIKE, WHAT ARE WE? WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT ARE WE DOING RIGHT NOW? SO, COMMISSIONER PURDUE, THANK YOU. I, I THINK THE WAY THAT WE ARE GOING ABOUT THIS IS, IS ODD. WE CANNOT TAKE A PIECEMEAL APPROACH AND TAKE 14 AT A TIME, 20 AT A TIME. THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE TO 100% BE EXCITED ABOUT EVERY ALL 297 RECOMMENDATIONS IN THIS IS LIKE THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE DO THAT WE HAVE 100%. YOU ARE 100% EXCITED ABOUT EVERYTHING. 
          EVERYTHING IS A COMPROMISE. EVERYTHING IS A BIG BASKET. AND AS WE WORK THROUGH IT, WE DECIDE WHAT'S FEASIBLE, WHAT'S PRIORITY, PARTICULARLY GIVEN THE CHANGING TIDES AND WINDS IN OUR COUNTRY AND FUNDING STREAMS, SO ON AND SO FORTH. THE BUDGET IS AN EXAMPLE. I MEAN, EVERY SINGLE PLAN, THE MASTER PLAN IS EXAMPLE. I THINK IT'S VERY INAPPROPRIATE FOR US TO GO LINE BY LINE BY LINE EVEN MORE. YOU KNOW, MAYOR, YOU SPEAK TO YOU, YOU DON'T WANT THIS TO BE ABOUT THE CITY. ONE OF OUR THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON SLIDE 11 IS TO CHANGE THE TEXT FROM GOALS TO COMMUNITY GOALS. AND SO I THINK THAT GETS AT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THIS IS A COMMUNITY PLAN. IT IS A VISIONARY PLAN WITH SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN OPERATIONALIZE. AND AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE ARE GETTING IN THE WAY OF STAFF AND COMMUNITY WHO HAVE WORKED HARD ON THIS FOR YEARS AND WHO ARE READY TO GO BECAUSE WE CAN'T JUST SAY, GO. I'VE HEARD A FEW PEOPLE SAY, WELL, WE WANT TO ENGAGE COMMUNITY. THAT WHOLE PLAN IS COMMUNITY. THE WHOLE PLAN IS COMMUNITY THAT WAS EMPHASIZED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PLANNING PROCESS, EXECUTION PROCESS, IT COMING TO US FOR CONSIDERATION. SO THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE TO GO BACK IS JUST DELAYING. AND I'M NOT SURE IT HASN'T BEEN SAID TO ME OFF DAIS OR ON HERE WHAT THE INCENTIVE IS FOR DELAYING. I WOULD LOVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD TOO, BUT I JUST THINK THE WAY THAT WE ARE APPROACHING THIS IS ENTIRELY INAPPROPRIATE. AND IT IS IT IS VERY INEFFECTIVE. AND IT IS NOT A GREAT EXAMPLE OF GOVERNMENTAL EXCELLENCE. THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION PIECE IS THAT THAT WAS A DISCUSSION HERE OF, HEY, YOU ALL ARE IN THE THICK OF THIS EVERY SINGLE DAY. PLEASE TELL US WHAT YOU RECOMMEND. AND THERE ARE MANY VOICES AROUND THIS TABLE THAT SAID, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT TOO. SO I JUST WANTED TO CHART THAT FOR YOU ALL. WE HAVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT INPUT. WE HAVE STAFF INPUT. WE HAVE OUR INPUT. WE ARE READY TO GO. THERE'S NOTHING THAT SHOULD BE HOLDING US BACK IF WE DO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. IT REALLY MAKES ME QUESTION. AND IT IS IT'S NOT A RHETORICAL QUESTION. WHY? WHAT IS THE TRUE INCENTIVE FOR THE HOLDUP? BECAUSE EVERY REASON THAT I'M HEARING TODAY JUST IS NOT FITTING LOGICALLY IN TERMS OF KIND OF WHAT I, WHAT I'VE JUST COUNTERED WITH. SO TO ANSWER YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION, MAYOR, AGAIN, I AM FINE WITH THE 20 PRIORITIES. I WOULD LIKE TO PASS A RESOLUTION FOR US ALL TO SHOW THAT WE COLLECTIVELY ARE OKAY WITH THESE BEING OUR TOP 20 
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PRIORITIES FOR NOW, AND ADOPT THE PLAN SO THAT THE STAFF CAN OPERATIONALIZE A LOT OF WHAT'S IN. OPTION THREE IS OPERATIONALIZED. LAST THING, JUST IN RESPONSE TO SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS SAID HERE. YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER ROBBINS, I WAS WITH YOU, LIKE, ESPECIALLY IN THOSE EARLY CONVERSATIONS OF WHOSE ROLE IS IT? HOW MUCH ARE WE TALKING? IS THIS ADVOCACY, IS THIS PROGRAMMATIC? LIKE, WHAT IS THIS? BUT WE GOT THOSE ANSWERS. WE GOT THOSE ANSWERS. AFTER STAFF CAME BACK PREPARING FOR THE LAST SESSION THAT WE DID, THEY BROKE IT DOWN BY WHO'S RESPONSIBLE IS THIS LEGISLATIVE ACTION? IS THIS PROGRAM, IS IT SHORT TERM? IS IT LONG TERM? WILL IT REQUIRE MONEY? WILL IT REQUIRE MONEY? THAT WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. SO THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT REALLY SHOULD BE STOPPING US RIGHT NOW. SO I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD. 20 PRIORITIES AS WELL AS ADOPT THIS PLAN. AND LIKE LET'S GET OUT OF THE WAY AND LET COMMUNITY AND STAFF FULLY OPERATIONALIZE THIS, WHICH IS REALLY THE BIG ASK HERE TODAY, COMMISSIONER BOUCEK, THANK YOU. WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? WELL, I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION I WANTED ANSWERED WAS, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD ON THOSE 14 AND COMING BACK, PRESUMABLY AT THE NEXT MEETING, TO CONSOLIDATE, INCLUDING COMMUNITY VOICES ON THE FINAL SIX TO GET US TO 20? SO I REALLY VALUE AND APPRECIATE THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION, AND I REALLY AM HEARING ALL THE CONFLICT AND CONSTERNATION. SO I JUST WANT TO HONOR THAT, FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE I DO ULTIMATELY WANT TO MOVE QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE ON THIS, THIS THIS REALLY IS NOT SOMETHING I, I CAME INTO THIS POSITION WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THIS SORT OF THING PAST. THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND, AND CONCERNS. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY, YOU BROUGHT THEM UP TO BEGIN WITH. RIGHT, MAYOR? SO WE COULD HAVE BEEN DONE. AND I ACTUALLY LIKE SOME OF THESE THAT THE STAFF HAS PUT FORWARD. I REALLY LIKE THESE SIX. I REALLY ESPECIALLY LIKE NUMBER WHATEVER THE ONE IS ABOUT RESILIENCE HUBS. I THINK THAT THAT IS LIKE ESSENTIAL AND TO ME IS LIKE A HUGE PRIORITY. LIKE SO I DON'T WANT TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER HERE. THIS THESE ARE THESE ARE VALUABLE. THESE ARE GOOD I THINK LIKE WE NEED TO PUSH THE RAPID FORWARD IN MAKING AMENITIES THAT LIKE WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SIT AT OUR AT OUR BUS STOPS. I SEE PEOPLE PUTTING CHAIRS OUT FROM THEIR OWN HOUSES AT SOME OF THEM ON THE WEST SIDE. SO I DON'T WANT IT TO BE AN EITHER OR THING. I THINK THIS IS A YES AND THING, AND I DON'T WANT ANYTHING WE DO HERE TO PRECLUDE THE OTHER STUFF. RIGHT? SO I, I HOPE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS, IT'S JUST IT'S JUST MORE DIRECTION FOR THE STAFF. BUT ALL THE ALL 197 ARE IMPORTANT TO BE PURSUED. SO FIRST OF ALL, AM I CLEAR IN THAT UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT AM I, AM I ON THE RIGHT PAGE? WELL, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE 14? I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THE 14, AND I JUST AM SAYING I DON'T WANT THE 20 TO BE A REASON TO NOT DO THE OTHER THINGS. WELL, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT I SAID, YOU KNOW, MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT WAS A REFILLABLE BASKET AND THAT MAYBE IT'S FROM 197, BUT AS AND I SEE NO REASON SOME THINGS CAN'T BE SIMULTANEOUSLY BEING DONE. SO. SO I GUESS THOSE ARE SOME OF MY THOUGHTS RIGHT NOW. BUT I'M NOT I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE IT BE DELINEATED VERY WELL, BUT I DO HONOR THAT ALL THE WORK THAT THE STAFF AND I DO THINK THAT ALL THE WORK THE COMMUNITY HAS DONE, I THINK THE ENGAGEMENT IS THERE. AND I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME ADDITIONAL PRIORITIES OR LIKE SORTING THAT, THAT WE HAVE SOME FEEDBACK FROM. AND I'M GUESSING THAT THIS IS WHERE THIS DISCUSSION IS COMING FROM IN TERMS OF LIKE, OKAY, IF WE'RE LIMITED, THEN C4 AND COMMUNITY CLIMATE COALITION HAVE THEIR THEIR INPUT TOO. SO IT'S I'M KIND OF RAMBLING. SO I'M GOING TO BE QUIET NOW. MAYOR. IT I'M SITTING HERE LISTENING AND MAYBE MISS WILKINSON HAS A DIFFERENT APPRECIATION, BUT IT IS NOT CLEAR TO ME WHAT THE WILL OF THIS BODY IS. WE HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE ALREADY ADOPTED AS IS. I THINK YOU'RE ASKING FOR A DELAY IN ADOPTING ALL 20, TRYING TO GET MORE ENGAGEMENT FEEDBACK. I THINK THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER KILGORE IS OKAY WITH. COMMISSIONER ROBBINS WANTS TO HAVE A 90 DAY DELAY AND COMMISSIONER NIGHT, I 
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THINK YOU'RE I AM NOT CLEAR ON WHAT THIS COMMISSION WANTS. AND SO WHAT I WOULD WHAT I WOULD OFFER, WHAT I WOULD OFFER. SORRY ABOUT WHAT I WOULD OFFER IS LET THE STAFF YOU'VE GIVEN US A LOT. 
          WE CAN GO BACK AND LISTEN. THIS IS NOT THE DAY. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR FINAL. WE WOULD HAVE LIKED DIRECTION. WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING ON THE 29TH. WE CAN ASK WAS OFFERED EARLIER. IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, WE CAN GET THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND COME BACK AND SEE IF THERE'S CONSENSUS ON THE 29TH FOR WHAT WE PUT ON THE AGENDA ON THE 12TH. I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR. SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU EARLIER THAT I HAD SAID EARLIER THAT I HAD BEEN ORIGINALLY LEANING TOWARDS OPTION NUMBER THREE IN CASE THAT HADN'T BEEN HEARD, BUT THAT'S WHERE I STAND FOR NOW. IF I COULD. CITY MANAGER, LIKE I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE TWO QUESTIONS HERE. ONE IS THE ARE WE GOING TO ADOPT AN INITIAL 20? AND THE OTHER IS ARE WE GOING TO TRY TO REDRAFT, HAVE A 90 DAY REDRAFT ON THE CAP? AND I THINK THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS. AND WHERE I STAND, WHERE I AM ON IT IS I WOULD LIKE A 90 DAY REEXAMINATION OF THE CAP, AND PRIMARILY BECAUSE I'D LIKE IT VERY, VERY CLEAR TO HAVE CITY ACTIONS IN ONE LANE AND NON CITY ACTIONS IN ANOTHER LANE. 
          THEN THERE'S THE QUESTION OF WHETHER WE CAN COME UP WITH A LIST OF 20. AND FRANKLY, IF WE IF WE STALLED OUT ON A LIST OF 14, WE CAN GO GET THOSE 14 DONE AND THEN KEEP TALKING LATER. BUT I THINK I HEARD COMFORTABLE WITH 14. THEN THE QUESTION IS, DO WE COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT ADDING ANOTHER SIX. AND I'M WE COULD JUST ADOPT THE STAFF SIX. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO STALL OUT AND GET DYSFUNCTIONAL ON COMING UP TO 20, I'LL, I'D SAY FINE, LET'S JUST USE THE STAFF SIX. BUT I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE INPUT FROM COMMUNITY PARTNERS ON THOSE FINAL SIX AS WELL AS STAFF. SO I WAS PROPOSING WE ESSENTIALLY GIVE STAFF DIRECTION. YEP. WE'D LIKE THESE 14. WE WANT TO DO A LITTLE MORE DISCERNMENT ON THE NEXT SIX. THAT'S QUESTION ONE. QUESTION TWO IS DO WE SPEND 90 DAYS REVISE THE CAP. SO THE CAP HAS A LOT MORE FOCUS AND CLARITY ON WHO DOES WHAT. AND THOSE QUESTIONS KEEP GETTING TANGLED UP. AND SO WHEN WE WHEN I ASK THE QUESTION I GET, OH, LET'S DO OPTION NUMBER ONE. WHEN I'M TRYING TO TALK ABOUT THE 20 OR WE ARE TRYING TO TALK TO THE 20. 
          SO IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER WE WANT TO ADOPT THIS PLAN OR ASK FOR IT TO BE REVISED, I'M IN FAVOR OF GIVING STAFF DIRECTION TO REVISE THE CAP, BECAUSE I'M NOT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED RIGHT NOW. SO, COMMISSIONER KILGORE, ON THE QUESTION OF DO WE MAYBE OPTION THREE AND OPTION ONE ARE REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM MY MIND. AND OPTION TWO IS I THINK OPTION TWO IS I THINK WHAT EVERYONE'S AGREEING WE SHOULD DO, EVERYONE'S AGREEING WE SHOULD COME UP WITH 20. SO IT'S NOT REALLY OPTION ONE, TWO AND THREE. IT'S ARE WE GOING TO DO OPTION ONE OR ARE WE GOING TO OPTION THREE. DO WE WANT TO ADOPT THIS CAP AS DRAWN OR DO WE WANT TO COME BACK AND DO SOME REVISION FOR SO THAT IT'S FOCUSED AND CLARIFIED? AND THE REASON I THINK THE 20 IS USEFUL BECAUSE IS BECAUSE IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO PRODUCE A BETTER DOCUMENT WHICH WE CAN ADOPT. AND WHEN I ADOPT SOMETHING THAT MEANS I'M SAYING, YEAH, I THINK THIS IS GREAT. AND THERE ARE THERE ARE PARTS OF THE CAP THAT I THINK ARE AS DRAFTED, AND IT'S ONLY A DRAFT THAT I THINK ARE NOT SUFFICIENTLY CLEAR FOR ME. 
          AND I THINK LOTS OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, ARE YOU GOING TO SAY, ARE YOU SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO MANDATE THINGS IN THE PUBLIC, IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR? WELL, I DON'T SEE THAT IN THE CAP, BUT I ALSO I SEE SUFFICIENT LACK OF CLARITY ON WHO'S DOING WHAT AND WHO'S EXPECTED TO DO WHAT, THAT I CAN SEE WHERE THAT LACK OF COMFORT COMES FROM. SO I THINK THERE'S USE TO GOING BACK AND MAKING THIS CAP DOCUMENT BETTER, BUT ALSO NOT STOPPING, NOT STOPPING, DOING SOME ACTUAL ENVIRONMENTAL WORK TOMORROW. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING THE 20 AND REDRAFTING THE CAP. AND I DON'T THINK THAT REDRAFTING THE CAP LOSES US A MINUTE OF TIME IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN IDENTIFY 20 IMMEDIATE PRIORITIES. THAT WAS MY HOPE FOR THIS. SO, MAYOR. YES? I'M SORRY. I'M JUMPING ON YOUR TOES. I DIDN'T MEAN TO. I JUST WAS GOING TO ASK IF WE CAN AT LEAST ACCEPT WHAT THIS THIS HAS BEEN DONE BY THE COMMUNITY WITH THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, CLIMATE PLAN, IF YOU WANT TO USE THAT WORD. YEAH. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, LIKE RECEIVE IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WELL, THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO DO OPTION ONE OR OPTION THREE? DO YOU WANT TO ADOPT THIS PLAN OR DO YOU THINK THAT IT NEEDS REDRAFTING? SO I GUESS I WOULD LIKE SO IF IT'S OPTION ONE OR OPTION THREE, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? I NEED TO TAKE A BREATH I'M SORRY. OKAY. COMMISSIONER KILGORE, IF YOU HAD OPTION IF IT WAS OPTION ONE OR OPTION THREE, GIVE ME A MOMENT AS WELL. SORRY, SIR. I'M PREPARED. I WANTED TO RESPOND TO WHAT CITY MANAGER SAID. YOU KNOW, IN A IN A, IN A IN A REALITY OF TRYING TO BUILD CONSENSUS, WHICH I AGREE WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER PERDUE. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT MAYBE I MIGHT NOT AND THAT MIGHT NOT BE MY THING, BUT I GO AND 
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SUPPORT IT BECAUSE I THINK IT IS GOOD GOVERNANCE. SO LET ME CLARIFY. I THINK THIS IS WHAT'S STRIKING ME AS HARD IS THAT YES, WE RECEIVED THE PLAN EMAILED LAST WEEK. HOWEVER, WE ALSO RECEIVED THAT INITIAL PLAN EMAILED, BUT WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS. SO I'M SO MY LACK OF COMMITMENT TO THE SIX IS NOT BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IN THEM, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAD DONE THE SAME PROCESS AS WE DID BEFORE. SO WHAT I FEEL IS LIKE WE'RE JUST I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE TREATING THIS PLAN DIFFERENT THAN OTHER PLANS. AND SO THAT'S REALLY I WANTED THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM MISS WILKINSON ABOUT SOME OF THE SIX, THE QUESTIONS I HAD OR CITY MANAGER OR ANYBODY ELSE IN THE CITY. THEN THAT WOULD GIVE ME THE COMFORT TO SAY YES. 
          SO I AM I. MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT I WOULD FULLY SUPPORT THE 20. BUT AGAIN, I WILL RESTATE MY DESIRE IS TO ADOPT THE PLAN WITH THE PRIORITIES AND THEN THE WORK OF THE CITY. MY WORK IS AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. MY WORK IS NOT TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE ALL THOSE THINGS THAT YOU ALL, I ASSUME ARE GOING TO WORK ON ARE GOING TO COME BACK TO US EITHER IN A RESOLUTION FOR A CONTRACT, IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO US IN OUR NEXT BUDGET YEAR. IT MIGHT BE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PIECE. SO THERE ARE CHECKS AND BALANCES OF HOW OUR CITY OPERATES. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M GETTING STUCK ON IS THE PROCESS BECAUSE I THINK THAT EXISTS ALREADY. SO THEN I FEEL FULLY CONFIDENT THAT YOU WOULD PRESENT SOMETHING. WE'VE HAD THAT WHEN WE HAD SOLAR ON, ON, ON BUTTERWORTH. RIGHT. THERE WERE A LOT OF OPTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED. SOME OF THOSE WERE REALLY HIGH AND VERY OUTSIDE OF OUR REACH. AND SO THEN WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO? WE HAD TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. SO THAT DIDN'T JUST HAPPEN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME, MISS SUTTER SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO DO SOLAR AT BUTTERWORTH AND THIS IS HOW MUCH IT IS. AND I DON'T CARE BECAUSE YOU SAID THIS WAS A PRIORITY. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M I'M STRUGGLING A BIT IS I DO THINK THERE ARE CHECKS AND BALANCES IN OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT TO ENSURE THAT THOSE APPROPRIATE PIECES WOULD HAPPEN. SO I FEEL LIKE SO I DON'T I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH THE PROCESS. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. SO I'M ALMOST POSITIVE I COULD SUPPORT THE 20. 
          I WANTED MORE DISCUSSION LIKE WE HAD HAD BEFORE, AND THEN MY OPTION WOULD BE OPTION ONE TO ADOPT THE PLAN THAT WAS BUILT WITH COMMUNITY, A VARIETY OF PARTNERS WITH THE PRIORITIES, AND THEN LOOK FORWARD TO THE WORK THAT WOULD HAPPEN OF THE DEPARTMENT AND OTHERS FOR THOSE CHECKS AND BALANCES AND BUDGETARY CONSIDERATIONS. THANK YOU. SO I THINK I GOT OPTION ONE FROM COMMISSIONER PERDUE AND COMMISSIONER SASSY, UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING. SO COMMISSIONER BELICHICK AGAIN, CAN I CAN I JUST INTERJECT A MINUTE. BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF ARE GETTING THE ANSWERS THAT THEY NEED. SO IN ORDER TO GET THIS CLEAR, PERHAPS CAN WE HAVE THE CITY MANAGER STATE CLEARLY WHAT HE AND THE STAFF NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND THEN PERHAPS PULL THE COMMISSIONERS FOR SPECIFIC ANSWER TO WHAT HIS QUESTION IS? I ALSO JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT COMMISSIONER PERDUE HAS WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO. WELL, WE'LL GET THERE, BUT WE NEED TO GET ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS. WE CAN TALK ALL DAY. AND IF HE STILL DOESN'T HAVE THE ANSWERS TO MOVE FORWARD, WE'RE NOT MAKING PROGRESS. OKAY. CITY MANAGER, JUST THANK YOU. CITY ATTORNEY, JUST AS BROADLY, I JUST WANT TO. SO COMMISSIONER SASSY AND PERDUE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH OPTION ONE. COMMISSIONER ROBIN'S THE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONER BELICHICK ARE COMFORTABLE WITH OPTION THREE. 
          YES. CAN I GET CLARITY ON THE OTHER TWO COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE? I'M I'M CLEAR WITH OPTION ONE. 
          OKAY. YEAH. SO I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING IF WE ADOPT ONE. IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN STILL GIVE WORK WITH OFFICE TO GIVE DIRECTION TO FURTHER REFINE, OR IS IT JUST RIGHT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO WE CAN DO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN THREE, BUT FULLY AFFIRM THAT WE ACCEPT THE CAP TODAY? YES. THE IMPLEMENTATION ANALYSIS THAT WE OUTLINED HERE WAS ALWAYS KIND OF THE NEXT STEP THAT WE WERE PLANNING TO TAKE. YEAH, WE WON'T ADOPT THE CAP. I MEAN, YOU'LL WE'LL GET DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD. BUT THERE'S. YEAH. NO ADOPTION TODAY. CORRECT. THEN I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH OPTION ONE. SO THAT'S COMMISSIONER KILGORE NIGHT. PERDUE ANASAZI COMFORTABLE WITH OPTION ONE WITH COMMISSIONER ROBBINS, THE MAYOR AND BILL SHACK ON OPTION THREE. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY, I THINK THAT WRAPS IT UP, THEN. OKAY, SO WHAT WE'LL WE'LL DO IS STILL ASK FOR YOUR FEEDBACK BY EMAIL. AND IF WE'RE NOT CLEAR ON FEEDBACK SO THAT WE HAVE WE CAN WE HAVE 
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ANOTHER MEETING ON THE 29TH BEFORE THE 12TH. WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET IT COMFORTABLE. AND I THINK WE'VE ALREADY HAD A PUBLIC HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS WITH AMPLE FEEDBACK. AND SO THE PUBLIC WILL STILL BE ABLE TO GIVE FEEDBACK ONCE POSTED. AND IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE WE'RE AWARE OF IT. YOU'RE AWARE OF IT. OKAY. THEN I 
          [2. Update on Facilities Master Plan and Calder Plaza Enhancements]
THINK THAT MOVES US ON TO AN UPDATE ON THE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN AND THE BOULDER PLAZA. 
          THANK YOU. MAYOR, WE'RE GOING TO ASK OUR CITY ENGINEER TO COME FORWARD AND KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL STAFF FROM FACILITIES THAT ARE HERE TODAY AND OTHERS WHO ARE PART OF SOME OF THE PROJECT PLANNING. BUT WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF SOME OF THE FUTURE ISSUES. WE HAVE A LOT OF TRANSFORMATIONAL PROJECTS THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. SOCCER STADIUM, AMPHITHEATER, THE MLK LODGE AND ROOSEVELT PARK LODGE, AS WELL AS A LOT OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AROUND THE CITY. AND WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO LOOK OUT IN THE FUTURE TO SEE WHAT WILL PRIORITIZE MOVING FORWARD WITH CITY FACILITIES IN TERMS OF ACQUISITION AND DISPOSITION OF LAND. AND SO WE WANT TO GIVE YOU JUST A HEADS UP AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT. AND THEN SECONDLY, THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION AROUND WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE AT CITY HALL AND THE CALDER PLAZA AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF THAT. SO, MISS BURKE, MR. BERGMAN WILL WALK US THROUGH THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. YEAH. AS CITY MANAGER SAID, JUST WANT TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE'VE BEEN WITH THE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN. YOU'VE HEARD SOME BITE SIZED PIECES AT YOUR FISCAL 25 MID-YEAR UPDATE, AS WELL AS THE BUDGET PROCESS. WANTED TO DIVE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE UNDER THAT TO LOOK AT REALLY THE LONG TERM OPERATIONAL NEEDS OF THE CITY'S, THE INVESTMENTS NEEDED IN SOME OF OUR EXISTING FACILITIES TO ACT AS A ROADMAP FOR WHAT SORT OF RENOVATIONS ARE IN OUR FUTURE NEW BUILDINGS OR DISPOSITION, AS THE CITY MANAGER REFERENCED. BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO LIFT UP MANY OF WHICH THE CITY MANAGER ALREADY NOTED SOME OF THE RECENT OR ONGOING IMPROVEMENTS, FACILITY WISE, THAT THE CITY HAS INVESTED IN. THIS SLIDE REPRESENTS OVER $280 MILLION OF INVESTMENT, STARTING WITH THE BIODIGESTER IN THE UPPER LEFT CORNER AND RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS PHOSPHORUS RECOVERY. 
          THAT SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT TO THE CAPACITY OF OUR TREATMENT PLANT. 1500 SCRIBNER. 
          ACCOMMODATING THE RELOCATION OF 201 MARKETS, OVER 300,000FT■!S F BUILDING AND GARAGE SPACE, ACCOMMODATING 200 CITY EMPLOYEES, 200 PIECES OF EQUIPMENT AND VEHICLES, SO THAT THE AMPHITHEATER COULD GET UNDERWAY WHERE IT IS TODAY. THE GRAND RAPIDS PUBLIC MUSEUM AND THE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE RIVERFRONT EDGE. MLK LODGE, THE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION THERE. YOU HEARD ABOUT PARKS FEASIBILITY STUDY WITH INDIAN TRAILS, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT SITE PLAN CHANGES TO ACCOMMODATE THAT GOLF EXPERIENCE. AND THEN THE TWO FIRE STATIONS AND FIRE TRAINING CENTER. BUT REALLY A LOT OF SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN IN CITY FACILITIES. BEFORE WE LOOK AT THE WHAT'S AHEAD OF US. SO GETTING INTO THE BACKGROUND, JUST WANTED TO DIVE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO THE WORK THAT'S REALLY BEEN DONE OVER THE PAST TWO PLUS YEARS, ASSOCIATED WITH THE FACILITY MASTER PLAN, LOOKING TO ALIGN IT WITH THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN AND AS WELL AS OUR COMMUNITY MASTER PLAN, LOOKED AT THE PHYSICAL CONDITION OF OUR CITY OWNED FACILITIES, LOOKING AT COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE MAINTENANCE THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING, LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL CITY DEPARTMENTS AND WHAT THEIR SPATIAL NEEDS ARE NOW AND INTO THE FUTURE, MAKING BETTER, EFFICIENT USE OF THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE AND THE BUILDING STOCK THAT WE MAINTAIN. BUT USING THIS TO BE PROACTIVE IN OUR MAINTENANCE EFFORTS, AS WELL AS FUTURE LAND USE POTENTIAL AND NOT REACTIVE. THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES WERE TO IMPROVE CUSTOMER SERVICES. WE HAVE A LOT OF FORWARD FACING SERVICES MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ARE CENTRALIZED, CLEAR AND HAVE EQUITABLE ACCESS. LOOKING AT WAYS TO IMPROVE AND INCREASE COLLABORATION BY CO-LOCATING SOME DEPARTMENTS TO ENHANCE INTER-DEPARTMENTAL OPERATIONAL ADJACENCIES. LOOKING AT A TEN YEAR STAFF GROWTH PROJECTION AS FAR AS WHAT THE NEEDS OF THE CITY WILL REQUIRE, IMPLEMENTING NEW WORKPLACE STANDARDIZATION TO INCREASE OUR BUILDING UTILIZATION. MAKE BETTER USE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE HAVE TODAY, AND AGAIN, ANALYZING OUR PROPERTIES AND BUILDING A STOCK, MAKE SURE WE'RE ACCOMMODATING THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF CITY OWNED FACILITIES AND PROPERTIES. 335,000FT■!S WERE IN THE SCOPE, LOOKED AT 81 TOTAL BUILDINGS, STARTED WITH FOCUSING ON PUBLIC FACING SPACES. IN ADDITION TO THE STAFF OCCUPIED, CITY OWNED 
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LOCATIONS OF ADMINISTRATIVE WORKSPACES, BUT ALSO THINGS LIKE OUR OUR LOBBIES, LABS AND SPECIALTY SPACES, AS WELL AS OUR VEHICLE AND EQUIPMENT STORAGE. DID NOT LOOK AT NON OCCUPIED SPACES. SO OUR PARKING RAMPS, PUMP STATIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE SURVEYED CITY STAFF, GOT OVER 460 RESPONSES, INTERVIEWED 31 DEPARTMENTS ACROSS 12 LOCATIONS. BUT SOME OF THE DESIGN PRINCIPLES. THERE IS A VARIETY OF WORK, AS YOU KNOW, THAT THIS CITY PERFORMS, WHETHER IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC SERVICES, INTERNAL DEPARTMENTS. WE WANTED TO FOSTER CONNECTIONS BETTER, THOUGH, WITH WITH AMONG THOSE DEPARTMENTS AND SUPPORT FOCUSED WORK AS WE LOOK AT HOW TO BEST USE OUR SPACE. BEING A RESOURCE HUB, INTEGRATING AMENITIES, CLARIFYING ACCESS I ALREADY MENTIONED. BUT YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM HERE REALLY THE TIMELINE THAT THIS TOOK REALLY VOLUMES OF INFORMATION PRODUCED OUT OF THIS. SO THE LAST STUDY WAS COMPLETED BACK IN 1996. SO IT HAD BEEN SOME TIME. BUT LOOKING BACK AT SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE ORIGINAL STUDY, THINGS THAT WERE COMPLETED, CREATING A VIRTUAL 311 OR VIRTUAL CITY HALL, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY 311, AND OUR WEBSITE, YOUR WORK CENTER HERE ON THE NINTH FLOOR, SOME OF THE FIRST PHASE OF THE MECHANICAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT TOOK PLACE A FEW YEARS AGO, MOVING POLICE INTO THEIR CURRENT LOCATION, AND THE COURTHOUSE AS WELL. ESD ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES MOVED THEIR LAB ONTO THE WATER RESOURCE RECOVERY FACILITY SITE, AND WE CREATED AN OPERATIONS CENTER KNOWN AS THE DEVELOPMENT CENTER TODAY. BUT BUT THAT WAS A PARTIAL COMPLETION. AND WE'LL GET TO KIND OF WHAT THE WHAT THE FULL IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT WILL LOOK LIKE IN SOME OF THE COMING SLIDES, THINGS THAT WERE NOT COMPLETED. THERE WAS ORIGINALLY RECOMMENDED A ESCALATOR CONNECTING THE MONROE AND PLAZA LEVELS HERE AT CITY HALL, CITIZEN CONVENIENCE CENTERS OR SATELLITE CITY HALLS HAVING KIOSKS BASICALLY WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO WITHOUT HAVING TO COME HERE TO CITY HALL, CONSOLIDATING DEPARTMENTS WITHIN CITY HALL, EXECUTIVE, FINANCIAL AND ADMIN, BUT THEN ALSO CREATING FURTHER FULLY CREATING THAT OPERATIONS CENTER, WHICH WE'LL GET TO. BUT THOSE LAST THREE ARE ALL RECOMMENDATIONS INCORPORATED IN THIS 2024 MASTER PLAN. SO SOME OF THE KEY FINDINGS AND THERE WERE MANY, BUT THREE IN PARTICULAR THAT I WANT TO LIFT UP, THAT WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME NEXT STEPS ON, WOULD BE THE RENOVATION OF THIS BUILDING, CITY HALL, AND IMPLEMENTING OUR REVISED WORKPLACE STANDARDS AS WE GO. 
          YOU CAN SEE KIND OF WHAT WE WERE AT AS FAR AS A USABLE SQUARE FOOT PER STAFF TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND INCREASING THE EFFICIENCY OF THIS, THIS BUILDING, THE NEW, WE'VE CALLED IT COMMUNITY RESOURCE CENTER, BASICALLY A ONE STOP SHOP FOR PERMITTING, DESIGN, DEVELOPMENT, PROJECT ENGAGEMENT, ENGINEERING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, MOBILE GR CODE COMPLIANCE AND FIRE PERMITTING. AND THEN CO-LOCATING ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES AND WATER ON THE WATER RESOURCE RECOVERY SITE WITH NEW ADMINISTRATION AND MAINTENANCE BUILDINGS. SO HERE YOU SEE KIND OF THE DISTRIBUTION OF DEPARTMENTS WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED OR WHERE THEY'RE RECOMMENDED TO BE LOCATED. THOSE IN ITALICS ARE ARE CHANGES. SO THAT CONSOLIDATED DEVELOPMENT CENTER YOU SEE ON THE LEFT. 
          RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE ADDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ENGINEERING, MOBILE GR AND FIRE PERMITTING TO WHAT WE KNOW TODAY AS 1120 OR THE DEVELOPMENT CENTER LOCATION. FOR THAT TO BE DETERMINED WILL GET A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO THAT IN A FUTURE SLIDE. BUT WHAT'S RECOMMENDED HERE WAS THAT RED RING BASICALLY TRYING TO IDENTIFY A PLACE THAT'S IDEALLY WALKABLE TO CITY HALL IF POSSIBLE. AND THEN YOU SEE THE BALANCE OF OTHER CITY FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE MAP HERE. SO NEXT STEPS WITH RESPECT TO THE MASTER PLAN, I ALLUDED TO THE THREE PRELIMINARY DESIGN STUDIES WE'D LIKE TO LAUNCH INTO NEXT, STARTING WITH THE WATER RESOURCE RECOVERY FACILITY AT 1300 MARKET, AGAIN LOOKING TO CO-LOCATE ESD AND WATER ONTO THAT SITE. WE'RE ALREADY ON THE STREET WITH AN RFP THAT WAS ISSUED AT THE END OF JUNE, EXPECTING RESPONSES LATER THIS MONTH. REALLY LOOKING AT AN IN DEPTH STUDY, THOUGH OF DEPARTMENTAL NEEDS, ENVIRONMENTAL SITE AND EQUIPMENT CONSTRAINTS, AND MAINTENANCE RELATED SHARED RESOURCES OF THOSE TWO SIGNIFICANT DEPARTMENTS, WE'D BE DOING AN ASSESSMENT OF ALL BUILDINGS AT THE WHARF. WE'VE NOT DONE A MASTER PLAN THERE, SO TAKING INVENTORY OF WHAT ALL IS THERE AND WHERE WE HAVE SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE NEW 1900 OAK, OUR WATER DEPARTMENT LOOKING AT THAT FACILITY, BUT THEN ALSO 509 WEALTHY, WE KNOW THAT IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE SIGNIFICANT REDEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALREADY TAKING PLACE ON MARKET WILL MOVE SOUTH. AND THAT KEY SITE CURRENTLY HOUSES ELC AND MOBILE GR FIELD OPS. SO MOVING AT LEAST THAT SEGMENT OF WHAT'S 
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IN 509 WEALTHY POTENTIALLY TO THE WHARF SITE AS WELL. BUT LOOKING AT ALL CURRENT AND FUTURE PLANT OPERATIONS, MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT CONSUMING SPACE THAT NEEDS TO BE RESERVED FOR PLANT CAPACITY EXPANSION IN THE FUTURE, WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO RELOCATE THE IMPOUND LOT THAT'S THERE TODAY AND MAKE USE OF THAT SPACE. KEY PRIORITY WAS COMING UP WITH A NEW CSAT BUILDING OR COLLECTION SYSTEM ASSET TECHNICIAN. THOSE ARE OUR VECTOR TRUCKS AND MAINTENANCE BUILDING AS WELL AS ADMINISTRATION BUILDINGS. BUT LOOKING AT A 25 YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE SITE, BUT THEN ALSO PROJECTING NEEDS OUT BEYOND TO 50 YEARS, WE DO A MARKET ASSESSMENT OF 1900 OAK AND 509 WEALTHY AND ALSO DO A RATE ANALYSIS STUDY FOR WATER AND ESD, LOOKING AT ANY UNDEPRECIATED VALUE OF EXISTING ASSETS, BUT ALSO WHAT THE IMPACT TO RATES WOULD BE ON ANY PLANNED IMPROVEMENTS RECOMMENDED BY THAT MASTER PLAN. SECONDLY, AGAIN, RENOVATION OF THIS BUILDING 300 MONROE. LOOKING AT MASTER PLANNING OUR RENOVATION NEEDS, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT NEEDS THAT ARE BECOMING OVERDUE. BUT LOOKING AT DEPARTMENTAL LOCATIONS AND HOW TO PHASE AN EFFORT LIKE THIS, GOING FLOOR BY FLOOR, IT'LL TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT THERE'S MAJOR RESTORATION NEEDED FROM THE FACADE AND GRANITE PANELS THAT NEED TO NEED TO BE REPLACED, AND SOME OF THE GLAZING I MENTIONED THE HVAC PHASE THAT WAS DONE A FEW YEARS AGO WAS THE MECHANICAL SYSTEM. NOW WE HAVE TO DO THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, ABATEMENT OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS. ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORING BUILDINGS HAVE DONE THAT IN RECENT YEARS, AND WE KNOW THAT IT'S DUE HERE. LOOKING TO UPGRADE ADA STANDARDS, IN PARTICULAR RESTROOMS, BUT ALSO ANY PUBLIC SPACE, PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE SPACE, MAKING SURE WE'RE UP TO DATE IN THOSE AREAS, IMPLEMENT OUR NEW WORKPLACE STANDARDS THAT I REFERENCED EARLIER. BUT HAVING COLLABORATIVE, SUPPORTIVE STAFF SPACES LOOKING TO IMPROVE WORKFLOW EFFICIENCIES AND AGAIN, ALLOW FOR FUTURE GROWTH. AND WITH ANY BUILDING RENOVATION, ESPECIALLY OF THIS MAGNITUDE, LOOKING FOR SUSTAINABILITY IMPROVEMENT OPPORTUNITIES, THEN THE COMMUNITY RESOURCE CENTER AGAIN, I MENTIONED THAT ONE STOP SHOP EARLIER, BUT EVALUATING THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT CENTER AT 1120 MONROE AND ALSO TOGETHER WITH IT, THE COLD BROOK FACILITY AT 1101 MONROE, TOGETHER, DETERMINING WHAT 1120 MONROE CAN ACCOMMODATE TODAY WILL INFORM THE CITY HALL MASTER PLAN. AS FAR AS WHAT WHAT STAFF WE CAN LOCATE OVER THERE, BUT ALSO LOOK AT OTHER SITE LOCATIONS AND SOME PRELIMINARY DESIGN WORK ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AGAIN, I REFERENCED IDEALLY IT WOULD BE WALKABLE FROM CITY HALL, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE FACTOR. PARKING IS GOING TO BE KEY RIGHT NOW. IT'S SUBSTANDARD THERE. TODAY. WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE NOT ONLY STAFF VISITORS, BUT ALSO THOSE FIELD STAFF VEHICLES THAT THAT STAY THERE. BUT LOOKING TO POTENTIALLY PARTNER WITH A DEVELOPER AND WHAT OPPORTUNITIES THEY MIGHT BRING WITH CREATIVE IDEAS AND SOLUTIONS ABOUT ANY CO-LOCATION OR COMPLETE RELOCATION AND ALLOWING FOR THOSE THOSE SITES TO REDEVELOP FUTURE ACTION. AS FAR AS THIS BODY IS CONCERNED, WE'LL BE BRINGING A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO YOU TO FUND THESE ADDITIONAL STUDIES. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT TO BE AROUND $200,000 EACH OR $600,000 TOTAL. SO ONE, OF COURSE, KEY FACILITY AND COMMUNITY ASSETS IS THE CALDER PLAZA THAT SURROUNDS OUR GOVERNMENT CENTER. AND WANTED TO ALSO TAKE THIS TIME TO UPDATE YOU ON ON RECENT ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND WANT TO AGAIN START BY UPLIFTING SOME OF THE PREVIOUS AND ONGOING INVESTMENTS. OVER $9 MILLION HAVE GONE INTO IMPROVEMENTS LIKE THE SOUTH ELEVATOR, ACCESS FROM THE GOVERNMENT CENTER RAMP YOU SEE PICTURED IN THE LOWER RIGHT CORNER. DONE. RECENT UPDATES TO THE WAYFINDING IN AND AROUND THE GOVERNMENT CENTER RAMP. THE REPAIR, REPAIRS AND PAINTING OF THE LA GRANDE VITESSE. CONTINUED IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE PLAZA ITSELF, AND MOST RECENTLY, COMMISSION APPROVED THE EXTENSION OF THE MONROE LOBBY ELEVATOR THAT YOU SEE DEPICTED IN THAT CENTER PICTURE TO COME UP TO THE PLAZA LEVEL THAT WOULD BE JUST INSIDE THE COUNTY BUILDING IN A VESTIBULE. SO WE'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL ACCESS CREATED THAT WAY. SOME OF THE PROJECT HISTORY. SO WE WE'VE KNOWN FOR SOME TIME THAT THE DECK NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, AND THE WATERPROOFING MEMBRANE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. BUT LOOKING TOWARDS THAT IMPROVEMENT ALSO WOULD BE THE IDEAL TIME OF COURSE, TO CONSIDER ANY ENHANCEMENTS. SO BACK IN 2015, GR FORWARD MADE RECOMMENDATIONS OF HOW THAT SPACE COULD BETTER BE UTILIZED BY THE COMMUNITY. I WENT THROUGH SOME SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS IN 2016 AND 2017 THAT THAT INFORMED A COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN IN 2018 THAT, OF COURSE, THE PANDEMIC HIT. WE DID A POST 
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PANDEMIC REVISED STUDY THAT ALTERED SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS IN 2023, THEN COMMISSION APPROVED IN MARCH OF 2024. OUR AGREEMENT WITH PROGRESSIVE COMPANIES TO INTEGRATE WHAT WE KNOW IS NEEDED AS FAR AS THE DECK REPLACEMENT AND WHAT'S DESIRED AS FAR AS SOME OF THE PLANNED ENHANCEMENTS. SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE BEEN IN A PROGRAMING EFFORT WITH OUR PARTNERS AT DEGREE MARK MILLER'S HERE TODAY ON THEIR BEHALF AS WELL AS THE COUNTY, AND HAVE HAD COORDINATION WITH THE CALDER FOUNDATION, LOOKING AT WHAT WHAT OTHER REPAIRS ARE NECESSARY TO THE LA GRANDE VITESSE AS WE PLAN FOR OTHER IMPROVEMENTS SURROUNDING IT. THE CONVENTION ARENA AUTHORITY, OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE WEST, THE FEDERAL BUILDING AND THEIR THEIR DEVELOPMENT OF THE BUILDING OFF LINE. AND THE ORIGINAL STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBERS. WE'VE ENGAGED A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER THAT YOU APPROVED A CONTRACT FOR AT YOUR LAST MEETING ON JUNE 10TH TO HELP US NOW ESTABLISH THE FINAL SCOPE AND BUDGET ASSOCIATED WITH THE ENHANCEMENTS AND THE DECK REPLACEMENT. SO SOME OF THE ENHANCEMENTS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED AND HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT, YOU SEE PICTURED BELOW. BUT ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE REALLY BREAKING UP. JUST THE EXPANSIVE CONCRETE JUST SURFACE THAT'S OUT THERE PROVIDING FOR INCREASED SHADE, INCREASED GATHERING SPACES. HAVING DEDICATED EVENT SPACES, WE KNOW THIS IS THIS IS OUR TOWN SQUARE. AND WE IN FISCAL YEAR 25 HAD 52 EVENTS THAT ACCOUNTED FOR 126 DAYS OF ACTIVATION. SO WANTING TO MAKE SURE, OF COURSE, WE'RE ACCOMMODATING THOSE MAKING ACCESSIBILITY IMPROVEMENTS. AND I THINK BY FAR THE MOST CONSISTENT THEME OF FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED WAS OPENING UP ACCESS TO MONROE. AND YOU SEE A DEPICTION OF WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE IN THE LOWER RIGHT OF A GRAND STAIRCASE. AND ELEVATOR TO SUPPORT ADDITIONAL INCREASED ACCESS, ALONG WITH POTENTIALLY OPENING UP AND DAYLIGHTING THAT ENTRANCE INTO INTO CITY HALL. AS FAR AS NEXT STEPS, AGAIN, WE'RE WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER WHO HAS JUST ENGAGED, OKAY, TO DETERMINE THE SCOPE AND BUDGET, WE NEED TO CONFIRM A FUNDING SOURCE. WE'VE BEEN BUILDING TOWARDS WHAT'S NEEDED FOR THE DECK REPLACEMENT AND WATERPROOFING MEMBRANE REPLACEMENT, BUT THERE IS NO FUNDING SOURCE TO DATE OR OR ESTABLISHED BUDGET FOR, FOR THESE ENHANCEMENTS. SO WE NEED TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT AMOUNT WILL BE, FIND THAT FUNDING SOURCE, DEVELOP FINAL CONSTRUCTION PLANS. AGAIN, WE KNOW THIS IS A KEY COMMUNITY ASSET. SO HAVING A COMMUNICATION STRATEGY THAT WILL ASSIST US WITH PUBLIC UPDATES AND OUTREACH, AND THEN WE WILL BE ISSUING BID PACKAGES THROUGH OUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER. OKAY. THIS WINTER, WITH CONSTRUCTION PLANNED TO OCCUR IN 26 AND 27. AND WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO RECEIVE ANY YOUR FEEDBACK OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. MISTER KNIGHT? THANK YOU, MR. BURKMAN. 
          NOW YOU SAID ON HERE CURRENTLY THERE'S NO FUNDING SOURCE. HAVE SOME BEEN IDENTIFIED IN CONVERSATIONS HAPPEN OR SO? IT'S AN ONGOING CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING WITH DEEGREE AND TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT WHAT AVAILABLE RESOURCES THEY MAY BE ABLE TO BRING TO THE TABLE. THE FUNDING THAT'S THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE IS A SPLIT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AS FAR AS THE DECK REPLACEMENT AND THE WATERPROOFING MEMBRANE MOBILE GRS CONTRIBUTING TO THAT AND THEIR BUDGET AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE ROOF OF THEIR PARKING RAMP. BUT STILL TO BE IDENTIFIED AS FAR AS THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE ENHANCEMENTS. YEAH. ANYONE ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS. MAYOR. I'LL JUST THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR. 
          COMMISSIONERS, I JUST AND TIM AND YOUR TEAM, AS WELL AS OUR PARTNERS AT GRI, I JUST WANT US AS WE THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE PLAZA. IT'S BEEN VERY HISTORIC. AND WHAT WE KNOW, CHANGE IS INEVITABLE. BUT I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER ENHANCEMENTS THAT WE MAKE DOESN'T DISRUPT THE ACTIVATIONS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, THAT IT WOULD CREATE MORE ACTIVATION NOT JUST FOR INDIVIDUALS BUT FOR LARGE EVENTS. AND SO I APPRECIATE THE GREENING OF THE PLAZA. I THINK THAT WORKS WELL WITH OUR SUSTAINABILITY PLAN, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S STILL FUNCTIONAL TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT WHEN WE HAVE LARGE EVENTS AND WE DON'T HAVE TO FUNNEL THEM THROUGH ONE ENTRYWAY TO GET INTO THE PLAZA AREA. SO I KNOW THAT'S A FUTURE DESIGN ISSUE IF FUNDED. BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT NOW. SO WE'RE NOT YEARS DOWN THE ROAD ASKING, WELL, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S DEFINITELY PART OF THE 
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CONVERSATION, IS STILL ACCOMMODATING THOSE LARGE COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT WE HAVE, BUT ALSO BREAKING IT UP AND MAKING IT FEEL MORE INTIMATE FOR GATHERINGS AND, YOU KNOW, SMALLER SETTINGS IF YOU WANT TO MEET PEOPLE FOR LUNCH OR HAVE SMALLER GROUPS OUT THERE AND NOT HAVE IT BE AS EXPENSIVE, EXPANSIVE AND BARREN AS IT IS TODAY, I, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. MAY I INTERJECT? SURE. SO THIS IS A GREAT OVERVIEW OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE THINKING ABOUT. DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF LIKE THE TIMELINE? LIKE IS THIS THE NEXT TEN YEAR, 20 YEAR? LIKE, WHAT RATE ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ONBOARDING THESE IDEAS AND IMPLEMENTING THEM. SO THE DECK REPLACEMENT IS OVERDUE. SO WE NEED TO START THAT NEXT YEAR. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY THE OPPORTUNE TIME TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE ENHANCEMENTS WOULD BE TO ALIGN IT WITH THAT. WE KNOW THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO LIKELY WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD EVERYTHING THAT'S WISHED AND HOPED FOR, BUT MAKING ACCOMMODATIONS FOR SOME OF THOSE TO BE ADDED IN THE FUTURE AS WE PLAN FOR THAT, OR AS WE DO THAT DECK REPLACEMENT IS CERTAINLY PART OF THE PROJECT AS WELL. AND IN TERMS OF LIKE ALL OF THESE ASSET DEVELOPMENTS AND MAINTENANCE, REALLY CAPITAL INVESTMENTS THAT WE NEED TO OUTLAY, THIS IS LIKE A WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE DOING THIS ALL AT ONCE. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING IT OVER A SERIES OF TIME. SO I JUST WONDERED WHAT THE TIME HORIZON MIGHT BE. YEAH. SO THE ENTIRE DECK WILL BE REPLACED WITH THE WATERPROOFING MEMBRANE IN 26 AND 27. THE AMOUNT OF ENHANCEMENTS IS TO BE DETERMINED, BUT WHATEVER WE CAN WILL INCORPORATE AT THAT SAME TIME. BUT FOR INSTANCE, A SHADE STRUCTURE WAS IDENTIFIED AS A POTENTIAL ENHANCEMENT. IF THAT CAN'T FIT INTO THE BUDGET, WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER ACCOMMODATIONS ARE NECESSARY AND PLANNED FOR AS PART OF THE DECK REPLACEMENT, SO THAT COULD BE EASILY ACCOMMODATED OR ADDED AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. OKAY, I'M I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I JUST I'M ACTUALLY MY APOLOGIES. I WASN'T CLEAR LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO THE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN AND ALL OF THE OTHER NOT JUST THE CALDER PLAZA, IS THERE A TIME HORIZON? YES. SO THAT WILL BE IDENTIFIED, I THINK, AS PART OF THOSE FURTHER STUDIES. CERTAINLY KNOWING THAT THIS BUILDING IS IN NEED OF SOME RENOVATIONS AND REPAIRS WILL INFORM KIND OF WHAT THAT TIMELINE IS. BUT HOW DO WE PHASE IT? DO WE GO FLOOR BY FLOOR? DO WE GO MULTIPLE FLOORS? COULD EVERYTHING BE RELOCATED AT ONCE? LIKELY NOT. BUT THAT WILL ESTABLISH WHAT THAT TIMELINE IS. 
          ESD AND WATER. AGAIN, IT'S LOOKING AT LIKE A 25 YEAR PLAN, BUT THAT WILL INFORM KIND OF WHAT IMMEDIATE IMPROVEMENTS CAN WE MAKE. LIKE WHERE COULD A CSAT BUILDING BE INSTALLED THERE, OR WHERE CAN THE IMPOUND LOT BE RELOCATED. SO WE CAN START TO MAKE USE OF THAT SPACE SO WE CAN INCREMENTALLY STEP INTO SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT REALLY, I THINK THOSE PRELIMINARY DESIGN STUDIES WILL WILL HELP ANSWER THAT QUESTION BETTER. AND THANK YOU, BECAUSE IT DOES MATTER FOR ALL OF OUR FISCAL PLANNING. SO THANK YOU. YEAH WE WILL WHATEVER PRIORITIZATION AND DESIGNS THAT WE FEEL ARE PERTINENT, WE WOULD CONSIDER THOSE AS PART OF OUR BUDGET PROCESS AND HAVE AN ACTUAL FUNDING PLAN FOR SOME OF THE PROJECTS. AS WE DEVELOP THE BUDGET AND CAPITAL PLAN. YES.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.